i'm davir uman joining me today is the host of no spin news and the author of the new book

killing the killers the secret war against terrorists bill or ily welcome to the

room report

thanks for me back to appreciate it how you're doing bill i'm doing well i have to tell

you as someone that just got my second book out i am told because i'm looking at the

cover your book right now

this is your seventeen number one best how many how many books have you written in

the first place

that twenty five uh... a lot of them children's books uh... off the uh... o'riley

factor

but uh... all of the killing books of hit number one and uh... the killing series

uh... the killing the killers is the eleventh book in the series the most

successful non-fiction book series of all time

and uh... that's pretty stunning when you think about it and humbling for me

for sure what what do you consider yourself first i mean do you consider yourself

a pundit first or a journalist you do you consider yourself a journalist in

a traditional sense or is it an author first doesn't matter what's first

i'm a journalist slash historian

masters degree in uh...

broadcast journalism from boss in you

uh... network experience at cbs and abc

seen it all eighty four countries so i'm a journalist first but i bring a

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