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This is Deep State Radio.

Coming to you direct from our super secret studio

in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of Snark in Washington, D.C.,

and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

Hello and welcome to DSR's Words Matter. I'm David Rothkoff, and I'm joined this week, as every week,

by the man who knows what's going on in Washington, D.C. You didn't think it was possible.

You thought it was all chaos.

But to one person, it all makes perfect sense.

And that's Norm Ornstein.

Norm, is it all making sense to you today?

It's all perfect nonsense, but it does hang together. Actually, what's interesting, David,

is there are very few anomalies now. It's not like you can find moments where you can say,

ooh, they're actually doing something sensible, or, ooh, there's actually somebody honest, or, ooh, here's somebody with courage.

It just doesn't happen.

There's not even somebody out there with minimum degrees of politeness.

And that's where I want to start.

I literally just moments ago was watching a press

conference that involved your Treasury Secretary, Scott Besson, a man who, when he was hired,

the universe of pundits out there, left, right, center said, this is a grown-up. This is somebody who is going to, you know,

at least ground what happens in this administration with some degree of normalcy. And he was

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