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So Susan apparently Ben follows the Mike Pence rule of he won't be in a room alone with a woman without his wife.

Right, that's why we are Wittless.

Because Tammy is out of town and so Ben refused to be

Well, he you know he has the he takes an extreme position where he can't be in the room with men or women he just if his wife's not there

She can't be in the room which you know

Mike Pence is right better safe I'm sorry it really is a better safe than sorry

situation I think it's probably kept Mike Pence out of a lot of

predicaments and it's probably a good rule for him to follow now especially. I however do not follow

this room which is why I'm happy to be in a room for the ladies. Just ladies this week.

Hello and welcome to Rational Security, the On the Edge of Our Seed's Edition. I'm Shane Harris, Lady Friend Reporter.

I'm in a room full of some of my favorite women journalists

You're gal pals sayists my gal pals. This is like if I had a party like a gal-tell

party at the house and we reported a podcast.

We should do that.

We should totally do that.

We have liquor here if anybody wants it, just so we're clear.

And you might need it.

But I'm here with my good friend Susan Hennessy as always and Quinton

Jurassic of lawfare welcome back Quinton hello hello and Nancy Youssef my buddy

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