Hey folks, Ellie Honig here. On this week's episode of Cafe Insider, I'm joined by Trevor Morrison.

Now, Trevor is a law professor and dean emeritus at New York University School of Law.

Trevor and I will be discussing the Justice Department's policy of not indicting or prosecuting

the sitting president. I'm sure you've heard a lot about this policy.

We're going to do a deep dive for you. The policy goes all the way back to 1973, the Watergate era,

and it has remained the official guidance ever since. More recently, it has come into play

with respect to Robert Mueller's investigation, and now to Jack Smith's. If you're a cafe

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Now, on to the show. So this policy obviously gets a ton more attention. It kind of goes

largely unnoticed between Clinton and the Donald Trump era.

But now it's been, over the last several years, it's been in the news twice in a very big way.

Once, of course, it was in relation to Robert Mueller.

Mueller wrote in his report and testified that because of the existence of the policy,

that is why he never reached a thumbs up, thumbs down determination on

whether Trump committed the crime of obstruction of justice. People didn't like that. People were

frustrated with that. Myself included, I get it. And now it's back in the news right now,

because as we've seen reporting, Jack Smith is packing up his suitcases and getting ready to leave.

And I think there's a little bit of a misperception because, yes, Donald Trump has said I would fire Jack Smith

within, quote, two seconds. And no doubt he would. But in my understanding, and I want to hear

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