The October Massacre changes... Everything - with Elliott Abrams

Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

Ark Media

Society, October 7, Hamas, War, Foreign Policy, Geopolitics, Israel, News Commentary, News, Politics, Elections, Palestine, Dan Senor, Government

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🗓️ 14 October 2023

⏱️ 53 minutes

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In this episode with Elliott Abrams, we provide additional detail on the history of Israel-Gaza/Hamas — this time from a White House insider on U.S.-Middle East policy during a critical period in Hamas’s takeover of Gaza — what were leaders in Washington and Jerusalem thinking at the time? Elliott takes us into the Situation Room: What did they get right and what did they get wrong? This part of the discussion is a good complement to our conversation last week with Jonathan Schanzer on this history of Hamas. Elliott also considers all that has changed for Israel, the region (especially the Sunni Gulf and Iran), and the Diaspora-Israel relationship as a result of this war. Elliott is senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the Council on Foreign Relations. He served as deputy national security advisor in the administration of President George W. Bush, where he supervised U.S. policy in the Middle East for the White House, and as Special Representative for Iran and Venezuela in the administration of Donald Trump. Elliott was educated at Harvard College, the London School of Economics, and Harvard Law School. After serving on the staffs of Senators Henry M. Jackson and Daniel P. Moynihan, he was an assistant secretary of state in the Reagan administration and received the secretary of state's Distinguished Service Award from Secretary George Shultz. Elliott is the author of five books, including “Tested by Zion: The Bush Administration and the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict”, which is most relevant to today’s discussion.

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0:00.0	First, it changes the Israeli policy that there's a modus Vivendi with Hamas that's gone,
0:06.9	and they will try to crush Hamas. It changes, I think, their relationship with Hezbollah
0:11.6	because I think they will come to apply the same calculus with respect to having that
0:17.2	dangerous an enemy to their north. I think though as I say I think the two-state solution was dead.
0:22.7	I think its death will be a lot clearer
0:26.2	to people all over the world, certainly to Israelis,
0:29.7	and even to many in the Arab world.
0:32.4	They may not admit it, but I think they will understand it.
0:35.9	It changes Israeli internal politics, obviously.
0:39.0	It changes the relationship between Israel and Saudi Arabia
0:41.6	because it means for now that agreement that they
0:45.4	were going to come to is off for a year or two. It may change the Israeli calculus
0:51.4	when this war is over with respect to the Iranian nuclear program
0:55.1	because if you believe you cannot live with major threats then maybe it increases
1:00.6	the odds of an Israeli attack ultimately on the Iranian nuclear program. It's currently 4.30 PM in New York City on Friday, October 13th, We're already well into Shabbat in Israel.
1:25.0	Before we get into today's conversation, here's an update on where things stand,
1:31.0	as of now, after the massacre in which 1,500 Hamas terrorists
1:36.8	infiltrated Israel's territory last Saturday, October 7th, leaving over 1,400 Israelis dead, and that number is climbing, 3,500 wounded,
1:49.9	and at least 150 people estimated to have been abducted to the Gaza Strip in what is now
1:56.8	recognized as the bloodiest day for Jews since the Holocaust. Funerals continue all around the country and around the clock
2:06.5	as every community in Israel buries its daughters, sons, parents, and siblings.
2:13.6	I actually spoke to my sister yesterday in Jerusalem,
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