Everything is hard, right? What you pick matters drastically. Is the asymmetry profound? Is the

massive? Is the outcome drastic? Is this a big enough problem if we win the whole thing?

Part of crypto, part of the beauty of this changing industry, there is a structural change with the way

that money works. Like, I can't think of a larger shift than the literal entire financial system or money itself, right?

I got the chance at one point to hear Elon speak, and I got to ask him one question.

I said we're a highly competitive industry.

How do you think about competition?

How do you think about the environment?

Like all of these different things about it.

His answer was just like, so crystal clear, it completely

changed the way we thought about running the business. What did he say?

And today, we're talking about why interoperability is essential in a multi-chain world. Our guest today is Brian Pellegrino, the co-founder

and CEO of Layer Zero, one of the core infrastructure projects that enables blockchains

to talk to one another. In this episode, we talk about the challenges and opportunities created by decentralization,

what it means for crypto to compete with legacy financial systems,

and a lesson Brian took firsthand from Elon Musk.

We also get into Brian's background as a professional poker player

and how that has shaped his

views on competition, conviction, and focus.

This episode is part of a special series of interviews we recorded live at our Founder Summit

in October.

Here it is my conversation with Brian.

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