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Revisionist History

The Obscure Virus Club

Revisionist History

Pushkin Industries

History, Society & Culture

4.762K Ratings

🗓️ 22 August 2019

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

Throughout the 1960s, a biologist named Howard Temin became convinced that something wasn’t right in science’s understanding of viruses. His colleagues dismissed him as a heretic. He turned out to be right — and you're alive today as a result.  Season Four ends with a bedtime story about how we should be freed by our doubts, not imprisoned by them.

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0:00.0

Pushkin

0:17.0

In the second half of the 20th century, a group of scientists became obsessed with an obscure family of viruses.

0:24.0

There weren't many people in the obscure virus club. They all knew each other.

0:29.0

The rest of the world rolled its eyes at them.

0:33.0

Read the letter.

0:34.0

Okay.

0:35.0

Dear Bob, I regret that your paper on the T-cell retrovirus is not acceptable for publication in the Journal of Virology.

0:43.0

Exhibit A in the Archives of the Obscure Virus Club, a rejection letter.

0:49.0

I completely agree with reviewer number one. There's little point in perpetuating this controversy about the presumed viral nature of this material.

0:58.0

Not, thank you very much. This is fascinating, but you're not quite there yet. Just, no.

1:05.0

I hope you understand we can only accept definitive data to resolve this question.

1:11.0

Therefore, I have no alternative but to reject this paper outright.

1:15.0

I'm advised you we cannot consider the present manuscript in any form.

1:20.0

In any form? If you were in the obscure virus club, you got this a lot. It didn't stop them.

1:27.0

Thank God.

1:33.0

My name is Malcolm Gladwell. You're listening to Revisionist History, my podcast about things overlooked and misunderstood.

1:44.0

This is the final episode of season four. A season of Jesuits and lawyers and gangsters and disputatious musicians.

1:53.0

Iconoclasts and skeptics. And I want to finish with the story of the Obscure Virus Club, maybe the biggest band of Iconoclasts of all.

2:04.0

This is a bedtime story for this season of Revisionist History. And as with any story, you have to wait till the very end to understand what it's all about.

2:13.0

The Obscure Virus Club had adjunct members, honorary members, hangers on. But I want to focus on the three people at its core.

2:28.0

Ludwig Gross, Howard Temen, Robert Gallo.

2:33.0

Bob Gallo is the only one still alive, 82 years old, still at the office every day. He has pictures of his old compatriots on his walls.

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