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A Little Bit Culty

The NXIVM Extravaganza | Ft. Mark Vicente, India Oxenberg, Susan Done, and Karen Unterreiner

A Little Bit Culty

Sarah Edmondson & Anthony “Nippy” Ames

True Crime, Society & Culture, Education

4.62.7K Ratings

🗓️ 11 September 2023

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

This episode is sponsored by Better Help.

Well hello there, A Little Bit Culty listener. How’d your summer go? What’s the haps?
This is actually our out of office greeting talking to you, because we’re away from the studio right now investigating some kickass episodes for our new season. But we didn’t want to leave you hanging…so we went through the archives to make you a veritable Dairy Queen Blizzard of culty goodness from some of our fan favorites.
We’ll be back soon with all new episodes, but until then you can also find us each week on Patreon where we’re serving up fresh episodes and content on the regular.

So today’s episode is…well…in our wheelhouse. If you’re a listener of this particular show, you’re already familiar with NXIVM – but on today’s episode we are taking a closer look at the cult featured in the HBO series, The Vow, starring yours truly. (Whose got four thumbs and once helped bring NXIVM down? THESE GUYS).

Joining us are 4 people who understand the inner workings of NXIVM better than almost anyone else.

First up is Mark Vicente. He’s The Vow’s Stone cold silver fox, a film-maker turned whistleblower, and an internationally renowned sweetheart. He’s the guy who originally recruited me, and the guy who raised hell to help bring it all down. Also, he’s the lucky husband of the one and only Bonnie Piesse, aka, Bonfire.

Next is India Oxenberg, who went through hell and back in NXIVM’s darkest chapter: DOS. From forced starvation, and sleep deprivation, to multiple forms of mental and sexual abuse, to a devastating years-long separation from her family. God damn we’re glad she got out and that she’s THRIVING now. .

Ater India, we’ve got Susan Dones….The one-woman wrecking crew who served as her own legal representation in a series of court battles after she left the organization. Susan was way ahead of the curve on calling bullshit Keith Raniere and his flying monkeys. She also paid dearly for it.

And finally, is Karen Unterreiner, who at only 18-years-old, became romantically intertwined with Keith Raniere. Over the next 40 years, she’d go on to become a top level NXIVM trainer, a key figure of the Executive Success Programs’ leadership committee, and an overseer of administration (bookkeeping) and IT. Which is all to say: There is much tea to spill. So much tea.

So if you’re sick of hearing us talk about NXIVM, you better turn around now. You’ve been warned. Everybody else? Let’s rock.


Also…

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The views and opinions expressed on A Little Bit Culty do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, group, club, organization, business individual, anyone or anything. Nobody’s mad at you, just don’t be a culty fuckwad.

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CREDITS:

Executive Producers: Sarah Edmondson & Anthony Ames

Production Partner: Citizens of Sound

Producer: Will Retherford

Senior Producer: Jess Tardy

Writer: Holly Zadra

Theme Song: “Cultivated” by Jon Bryant co-written with Nygel Asselin

Transcript

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The views and opinions expressed by a little bit callty are those of the hosts,

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and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast.

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Any of the fucking maizeball content provided by our guest,

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bloggers, sponsors, or authors are of their opinion and are not attended to

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malign any religion group club organization, business individual, anyone or anything.

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We're not doctors, not psychologists. We're certainly not the AP.

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It's associated press for those of you listening at home.

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We're two non-experts, we're found ourselves making a little podcast

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that people happen to like. Okay? Okay.

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Hey everybody, Sarah Edmonds in here.

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And I'm Anthony Ames, aka Nippy, Sarah's husband, and you're listening to

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a little bit callty. A-K-A-L-B-C. A podcast about what happens when devotion

0:53.0

goes to the dark side. We've been there and back again, a little about us,

0:57.3

true story, we met, and fell in love in a cult.

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And then we woke up and got the hell out of dodge.

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And the whole thing was captured in the HBO

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docu-series the vow now in its second season.

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I also wrote about our experience in my memoir,

1:10.8

SCART, the true story of how I escaped next

1:13.4

him, the cult that bound my life. Look at us,

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couple of married podcasters who just happen to have a weekly date night,

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where we interview experts and advocates and things like cult awareness

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