Hello, I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan, and I'm so happy to connect with Sarah Edmondson and her husband, Anthony Nippy Ames, of a little bit culty podcasts, which I announce I am an avid listener.

I've been really enjoying your guests.

And Sarah, you and I talked a while back after exiting nexium to help let people know about your

scarred book and your courageous whistleblowing, of course, Nippy.

I'm going to call him Nippy from now on, although his name is Anthony officially.

There's nothing I can do about it.

Yeah, it's cool good.

But I'm so excited that folks like Leah Remini and Mike Rinder and celebrities like yourselves, actors, and, yeah,

very high profile folks are helping to destigmatize the fact that intelligent, educated people

can be deceived and their minds can be hacked.

And I want to do a particular shout out for the vow, HBO's vow, because it showed so much

internal film footage that Mark Viscente shot as a true believer.

And so people got to see the excitement and kind of like experience the high that is part

of the love bombing and be part of the special inner core and then peel back to the

evil malignant narcissist Keith Reneery, who is now serving

a 120-year trafficking sentence and to state categorically in terms of my quest to update the legal

system about brainwashing and mind control and undue influence,

the work of Moira Penza, the prosecutor to put him in jail using trafficking as the framework.

And that's part of what I did in my dissertation, is to connect the fraud force or

coercion piece to the Bight model and to Lifton and other models. So it's really precedent

setting. So with all of that, I want to welcome you both. I think you're up in Vancouver,

British Columbia, Canada.

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