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Twenty Thousand Hertz

The Nursery Rhyme That Ruined a Rock Band

Twenty Thousand Hertz

Dallas Taylor

Music, Design, Arts, Music Commentary

4.84.1K Ratings

🗓️ 24 September 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

When a quiz show host asked a simple question about nursery rhymes, it seemed like harmless fun. But that moment triggered a lawsuit that would threaten to bring down one of Australia’s most iconic rock bands. In this story from the Cautionary Tales podcast, we follow the unlikely court case of Men At Work’s “Down Under,” exploring the fine line between inspiration and infringement, and the collateral damage of copyright. Follow Cautionary Tales wherever you get your podcasts. Subscribe on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to see our new video series. If you know what this week's mystery sound is, tell us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠mystery.20k.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Support the show and get ad-free episodes at ⁠⁠⁠⁠20k.org/plus⁠⁠⁠⁠. Follow Dallas on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Join our community on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Reddit⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Find a therapist who takes your insurance at growtherapy.com/20k. Get 3 months of free payroll at gusto.com/20k. Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shopify.com/20k⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Cut your current cloud bill in half with OCI at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠oracle.com/20k⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

You're listening to 20,000 Hertz.

0:05.0

The stories behind the world's most iconic and fascinating sounds.

0:11.0

I'm Dallas Taylor.

0:13.0

When it comes to music, originality is a tricky thing,

0:17.0

because every song that's ever been written contains some elements of songs that came before it.

0:22.7

So where do you draw the line between inspiration and infringement?

0:27.2

Over the years, that question has landed lots of artists in court, and in some cases, it's even had tragic consequences.

0:37.0

Today's story comes from the Cautionary Tales podcast, and it starts with a TV show.

0:45.3

Good-day, my name's Adam Hills. Welcome to a special children's music edition of Spicks and Spex.

0:52.7

Spicks and Specks is a long-running staple of Australian TV.

0:57.5

That's host Tim Harford.

0:59.3

It's an irreverent quiz show, pitting mixed teams of musicians and comedians against one

1:05.3

another to answer questions on rock and pop.

1:09.1

In 2007, host Adam Hills was presiding over a special episode dedicated to kids' tunes.

1:16.9

Have a listen to this, namely the Australian nursery rhyme, this riff has been based on,

1:20.2

as well as the name of the man playing it.

1:27.3

The opening bars of Men at Work song Down Under played.

1:33.0

The two teams looked mystified.

1:36.5

Which nursery rhyme?

1:38.7

It's Men at Work Down Other.

1:40.3

Greg Ham is the flautist.

1:41.8

Greg Ham of Men at Work, yes.

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