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The Numbers Are Not What They Seem...

RiskReversal Pod

RiskReversal Media

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4.6757 Ratings

🗓️ 25 November 2025

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of the RiskReversal Podcast, Guy Adami and Liz Thomas from SoFi discuss various financial market trends leading into Thanksgiving week. They also touch on the Packers football game which will be played at 1 pm ET on Thursday. They talk about the recent rally in the S&P 500, attributing it to possible Fed rate cuts and positive job numbers. Liz highlights the Fed's stance on unemployment and its implications for future rate decisions. The conversation also covers the CPI, GDP data, consumer spending, and signs of economic stress like rising delinquency rates. They discuss sector-specific trends, focusing on healthcare and energy markets, and explore the potential impact of geopolitical events on big cap pharma stocks. Additionally, they touch upon the dynamics of the yen carry trade, the significance of Bitcoin movements, and oil prices' role in economic forecasts. The episode concludes with Thanksgiving well-wishes and reflections on their collaboration and friendship. —FOLLOW USYouTube: @RiskReversalMediaInstagram: @riskreversalmediaTwitter: @RiskReversalLinkedIn: RiskReversal Media

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0:00.0

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0:04.1

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0:08.3

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0:10.7

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0:12.4

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0:18.1

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0:28.7

Welcome to the Risk and Reversal podcast.

0:31.5

I'm Guy Adami.

0:32.2

As you can see, I'm joined by Elizabeth Thomas She of Sofi.

0:36.2

E.T.

0:36.6

How are you?

1:11.3

I am great. Happy Thanksgiving week to everybody. To you as well. You should be great. Your Packers continue to win, which is good. And I will tell you, not that you really want to go down this road, but the lions look very beatable. So the Packers might be the, you know, the top of the class in their division. Well, we play the Lions on Thanksgiving Day. I know this and that's coming up. Those short weeks are interesting. And I think that's the early, is that the early game. I hope it's not the early game because that's one I'd like to watch. I believe it is actually. I believe it's a one o'clock. I could be wrong about that.

1:16.1

Well, we will effort that and put it in the show notes, as Dan likes to say. But here we are.

1:29.8

Here we are on this. We're taping this on Monday afternoon. We have an S&P 500 that is rallied nearly 200 points from the lows that we saw last week. So I think we got down about 6,500-ish. Here we are at 6705.

1:36.2

I attribute that to a couple things. Maybe we were oversold, but probably more likely than a job numbers that probably gave the Fed, I would imagine, cover in terms of a December cut. You had some

1:43.9

commentary out of some Fed officials of a December cut. You had some commentary out of some

1:45.5

Fed officials about that December cut. And there was some chatter about the ability to,

1:50.8

invidia to sell chips in China, all those things, you throw them in the cauldron. And here we are

1:55.1

200 points higher. So I want to start this by saying it's, we're recording this the Monday of Thanksgiving week.

2:01.7

I recall a couple years in the last five or 10, probably the last five, where the day after

2:08.8

Thanksgiving, which is usually expected to be calm in the market because there's not a lot of

2:13.6

volume. It's after a holiday. Yada, yada, yada. The day after Thanksgiving was anything

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