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The not-so-secret life of plants

Outside/In

NHPR

Society & Culture, Documentary, Natural Sciences, Nature, Science

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 22 August 2024

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

From the perspective of Western science, plants have long been considered unaware, passive life forms; essentially, rocks that happen to grow.  But there’s something in the air in the world of plant science. New research suggests that plants are aware of the world around them to a far greater extent than previously understood. Plants may be able to sense acoustics, communicate with each other, and make choices… all this without a brain. These findings are fueling a debate, perhaps even a scientific revolution, which challenges our fundamental definitions of life, intelligence, and consciousness. Featuring Zoë Schlanger.   SUPPORT Outside/In is made possible with listener support. Click here to become a sustaining member.  Subscribe to our newsletter for occasional emails about new show swag, call-outs for listener submissions, and other announcements. Follow Outside/In on Instagram or Twitter, or join our private discussion group on Facebook.   LINKS Zoë Schlanger’s book is called The Light Eaters: How the Unseen World of Plant Intelligence Offers a New Understanding of Life on Earth.  “Everything Will Be Vine” is a great podcast episode from Future Ecologies featuring Zoë’s journey into the Chilean rainforest, where researchers are mystified by a once-overlooked vine.  Jagadish Chandra Bose was an Indian scientist who challenged the Western view of plants in the early 20th century. He studied electrical signaling in plants and argued that plants use language. Read about his life and work in Orion. This is the now famous study by David Rhoades. Rhoades was derided for his “talking trees” theory, and only was proved correct after his death. Here’s an audio story which goes deeper on Rhoades. Lilach Hadany, the scientist who likened a field of flowers to a “field of ears,” also recently found that plants produce sounds when stressed. The study which found that plants respond to the sound of caterpillars chewing, a collaboration between Rex Cocroft and Heidi Appel. The organization of the octopus nervous system is fascinating.   CREDITS Outside/In host: Nate Hegyi Reported, produced, and mixed by Justine Paradis. Edited by Taylor Quimby Our team also includes Felix Poon and Marina Henke. NHPR’s Director of Podcasts is Rebecca Lavoie Special thanks to Rex Cocroft for sharing the recordings of leafhopper mating calls and chewing caterpillars.   Music by Mochas, Hanna Lindgren, Alec Slayne, Sarah the Illstrumentalist, Brendan Moeller, Nul Tiel Records, Blue Dot Sessions, and Chris Zabriskie. Outside/In is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey Nate.

0:03.0

Question for you.

0:05.0

Yeah. Is there a particular plant in your life, like maybe a house plant or a tree on your block that you have a particularly close relationship with?

0:15.0

Well, where I live right now is essentially the Great Plains and there are no trees around.

0:22.0

So there is no tree on my block.

0:25.0

But we do have a very particular plant

0:30.0

that grows in my driveway called Kachia.

0:34.0

And in some circles, it's considered an ornamental plant.

0:39.1

In this household, it's a freaking weed,

0:42.3

and it has been the bane of my existence. So I wouldn't say an

0:48.6

individual plant, I would say a gang of plants. I would say enemy team of plants that no matter what I do continually

0:58.0

keep coming back.

1:00.1

You're attributing some personality, some sort of social relationship here.

1:03.3

Yeah, I kind of see them like in a, you know, West Side story, you know, like walking down the alley,

1:08.1

walking down our gravel driveway, just... Do you feel and I'm not saying that you actually think this but do you feel in any way that these plants are also in this relationship in the sense that they're aware of you?

1:30.0

I mean, obviously they're aware of me when I'm literally pulling them out and killing them.

1:36.5

But... Interesting use of the word obviously. I guess I'm assuming that they're,

1:41.7

conscious. Hmm?

1:43.4

Well, I'll start by saying part of the reason I even went into this research is because plant scientists are some of the most delightful people to speak to.

1:56.0

No matter where they fall in this debate, they have such a care and feeling for plants that you don't often see in the general public or I had not

2:05.8

encountered such ferocious awe. This is Zoe Schlinger, who's a climate reporter at the Atlantic.

2:12.2

It's especially charming to expect. She's a climate reporter at the Atlantic.

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