The Nobel Winners Who Almost Crashed the Economy | From Business History
Against the Rules with Michael Lewis
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🗓️ 1 July 2026
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Summary
Here's a special episode from Business History (which even mentions Liar's Poker!). Business History is a show about, you guessed it, the history of business and what we can learn from founders and companies.
John Meriwether assembled the smartest team on Wall Street. In the 1980s, he combed Harvard and MIT for geniuses to join him at Salomon Brothers and make the investment bank a fortune with arbitrage — the trick of buying an asset cheap in one place and quickly selling it for a profit in another.
When he parted ways with Salomon Brothers, Meriwether took his "nerds" to set up a hedge fund. They prospered — making themselves and their clients rich. Two employees even picked up a Nobel Prize. But Long Term Capital Management operated in the real world — where projections and charts and formulas can't protect you from political chaos and economic turmoil.
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| 0:43.6 | Too quick? |
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| 0:45.5 | Pushkit. |
| 0:45.8 | Stop. |
| 0:46.5 | You got it. You're going to take me back to the 1990s, baby, and then the 70s, and then the 90s. |
| 1:05.9 | Okay. |
| 1:06.9 | Robert Smith, this is a story about some of the smartest people in the world, incredibly successful in their fields. |
| 1:12.5 | They decide to come together, start a new thing, and they are so successful. |
| 1:17.0 | They make billions of dollars. |
| 1:19.0 | They win the Nobel Prize as they're making billions of dollars. |
| 1:22.7 | And then the next year, they get destroyed. |
| 1:27.1 | And in fact, they get destroyed so hard that they almost take the global economy down with them. |
| 1:31.7 | I'm Jacob Goldstein. |
| 1:32.7 | I'm Robert Smith, and this is business history. |
| 1:34.6 | I'm sure not the history of business. |
| 1:36.3 | Today on the show, the story of long-term capital management. |
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