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Five lives Rugby Union Daily Tuesday morning World Cup Final Week, and it is Nations Pod Time, Tom and Gareth, or should

that be the No Nations Pod, England, the last of the Home Nations to fall, and it will be

New Zealand and South Africa in Saturday's showpiece.

Well you still have that one game, Chris, don't you?

And I remember back to 2019 being sat in production meetings when our bosses were trying to convince us to go big on the third-

fourth place playoff and saying this is a game that really matters

people will care, etc.

Yeah, deep down we know the reality.

It's done, it's dusted, and this game,

Argentina against England is what?

A glorified friendly, I guess?

Yeah.

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