Hello and welcome to Inside Briefing, the podcast from the Institute for Government. I'm Hannah White. Well, we said the Conservative Party conference would be rather lively, and we weren't wrong. If anything,

we underestimated quite how lively it would be. U-turns and climb-downs, cabinet splits and

backbench coups. It was not, it is safe to say, quite what Liz Trust would have scripted.

So as weary conservative politicians make their way back from Birmingham, what have we

learned about the Prime Minister and her government? Is growth the new dividing line in Westminster and beyond?

And is there really an anti-growth coalition? And what on earth is going to happen next in the

never-ending, unpredictable rollercoaster ride of British politics?

Joining me this week are two IFG colleagues who have survived their daytime

appearances on the conference fringe and late-night cameos at the conference bar to report

bright and early for IFG duty. And that's chief economist Gemmetello and program director Alex Thomas.

Hi both. Hello. Hi, hello. And I'm really delighted to be joined by David Ronseman,

Professor of Politics at Cambridge University, author, writer,

and one-time podcast host on Talking Politics.

David, it's great that you can join us.

How are you?

I'm fine in a COVID-y kind of way.

Let's start with Liz Truss's speech and what it tells us about her premiership.

She listed the enemies of

grace, which include people who record podcasts and work for think tanks. I assume that that meant

Aleister Campbell and Rory Stewart. At least none of us have taxied in to the BBC from North London,

so I think we're safe. David, I wanted to ask you about that.

I mean, is this a real battle, or do you think Liz Trust is trying to create an enemy to define

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