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The Story

The NHS and the changing room trans row

The Story

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Politics, Unknown, Daily News, News

41.5K Ratings

🗓️ 16 July 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife, the employment tribunal that gripped the nation last February, resumed this week. It all started after nurse Sandie Peggie objected to sharing a changing room with Dr Beth Upton, who is transgender.

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Guest: Daniel Sanderson, Scottish Political Editor, The Times.

Host: Manveen Rana.

Producer: Taryn Siegel.

Photo: Getty Images.

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0:00.0

Fancy a fever tree

0:03.4

In a glass with ice

0:05.8

And rum

0:07.5

You thought I was going to say gin, didn't you?

0:11.1

But I'm talking about fever tree ginger beer

0:13.7

Made from three gingers for that perfect blend of freshness,

0:18.0

sweetness and spiciness.

0:20.5

Delicious with rum. or on its own.

0:24.2

Fever tree ginger beer, mix with the best.

0:28.9

Mmm, that spices things up.

0:36.0

From the Times and the Sunday Times, this is the story.

0:40.6

I'm Manvine Rana.

0:48.0

So it was Christmas Eve, 23.

0:51.3

Sandy Peggy, who's a nurse, and Beth Upton, who's a doctor, were both working at Victoria

0:57.0

Hospital in Kokodi, Fife.

0:59.8

So basically they're both up for it to spread on Christmas Day with their families.

1:04.5

They've had another frantic shift, as it was described.

1:10.5

Sandy Peggy's gone to the female changing room in the A&A department.

1:16.0

She says she was encountering a heavy period.

1:18.1

She's gone inside to find Beth Upton there, who is a doctor and a transgender woman.

1:24.3

Now, what's said between those two is disputeded but there was then a confrontation between them.

1:31.1

Peggy expressed her discomfort at sharing a female space with someone she considers male.

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