Hello, my name's David Rundsenman and this is Talking Politics.

With all the chaos going on this week, you may have noticed that a report was published

about the future of referendums. I was part of the group that helped write it, and we are going to be

talking about how we might avoid this mess in future.

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We recorded this conversation last week, so before all of the recent stuff happened,

but I think we all had a sense that something was looming.

The people I'm speaking to were all involved with me in the eight months of work that we put

into this report. You're going to hear from Giesler-Stewart. She was the lead campaigner for

vote leave in the referendum. Jenny Watson, she was in 2016 and before that,

head of the Electoral Commission.

So she was the person basically responsible for running the referendum.

And also from Alan Rennick from the Constitution Unit,

and they were the people who actually set this up.

There were other people involved too.

We had Andrew Wilson, who's a leading figure in the

SMP, people involved in Northern Irish politics. Dominic Greve was on this commission. He's one of the

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