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🗓️ 24 November 2025
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On this week's Stansberry Investor Hour, Dan and Corey welcome Ben Hunt back to the show. Ben founded Epsilon Theory, a newsletter with more than 100,000 readers that examines markets through the lens of narrative. He's also the president and co-founder of Perscient, an AI research firm and software company.
Ben kicks things off by discussing the "credit polar vortex" that the U.S. is facing today. He says that all credit to the bottom 40% of the country has essentially been cut off, leaving companies in distress and everyday Americans in crisis. And he notes that financial crises are always born in the financial sector, so this is a problem no matter how well AI and tech stocks are doing. Ben goes in depth on how this looming crisis affects regional banks, and he compares what's happening now with what happened in 2007.
Next, Ben talks about the Federal Reserve's role in all this and how it acts as a backstop for commercial banks. He points out that the alternative asset managers that don't have this backstop have been the ones making all the loans in the economy, so that's where the danger lies. This leads to a conversation about gold's usefulness as a safe haven, the potential for rampant inflation, and a few things that give Ben hope for the economic future, including manufacturing and reshoring. And he also covers the topic of energy generation in relation to AI and its possible damage to the economy.
Finally, Ben shares how his investing outlook has changed over the years, thanks to fundamentals taking a backseat in importance to storytelling and narratives. He emphasizes that fundamentals still matter, but what's happening with the story is a bigger factor in making money in the market. As he says, it's value versus valuation. Ben then explains how he finds these stories regardless of the sector and how to track them.
0:00 A looming financial crisis; doomed regional banks; similarities with 2007
17:47 The Fed as a backstop; gold; manufacturing; AI vs. power generation
46:38 Ben's investing outlook; how to profit from stories in the market
1:08:15 Dan and Corey's final thoughts
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Stansberry Investor Hour. I'm Dan Ferris. I'm the editor of Extreme Value |
| 0:16.1 | and The Ferris Report, both published by Stansberry Research. |
| 0:20.9 | And I'm Corey McLaughlin, editor of the Stansberry Daily Digest. |
| 0:24.5 | Today we're talking with Ben Hunt of Epsilon Theory. |
| 0:29.0 | Ben is a brilliant guy. |
| 0:30.0 | We haven't talked to him in way too long. |
| 0:32.1 | He has a totally different way of looking at the world for many investors. |
| 0:36.0 | So let's do it. |
| 0:37.0 | Let's talk with Ben Hunt. Let's do it right now. |
| 0:41.1 | All right, Ben Hunt, welcome back to the show. It's been a while. It's been too long, Dan. It's |
| 0:46.5 | great to be back. Thanks for having me. Yeah. You are especially someone I feel I need to check in |
| 0:52.9 | with here in the latter part of 2025. |
| 0:56.6 | We've been through two tariff tantrums, April, 8th, October 10th. |
| 1:01.7 | New York City elected a Democratic socialist mayor who says he wants free, you know, |
| 1:08.7 | free everything. |
| 1:11.1 | And other weird things, which I'm sure you've kept better track of than me. |
| 1:17.0 | I don't even know where to start. |
| 1:19.4 | When I read what you write, it covers so much, I almost don't know where to begin. |
| 1:24.9 | With you, I feel like I should ask you, what is it right now? |
| 1:29.0 | What is consuming your mind today? |
| 1:31.3 | What's consuming in my mind right now today is not tariffs. |
| 1:37.3 | I think we're very much past tariffs. |
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