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The Next Call with David Ridgen

The Next Call Introduces | The Expert Witness

The Next Call with David Ridgen

CBC

True Crime

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 19 May 2026

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

It’s here. AI has arrived in the criminal justice system and it’s in the role of witness. The Expert Witness, hosted by Sam Mullins asks: what happens when AI enters the courtroom? Who is benefitting from this mysterious technology? And who’s accountable when AI gets it wrong? More episodes of The Expert Witness are available wherever you get your podcasts, and here: https://link.mgln.ai/TEWxTNC


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Okay, look, Drake spent all that time and energy promoting his album Ice Man. He made that

0:04.5

ice culture in downtown Toronto. And then we got not just one album, not two, but three new

0:10.0

albums from The Boy. I'm Elimeon Abdu Mahmood. I host a show called Commotion. And on my show,

0:15.1

we did a deep dive into all three Drake albums. We get into whether this moves him past

0:19.9

a Kendrick Beef, and which album is really the one

0:22.3

that you can't miss.

0:23.6

For this episode and a lot more, you can find and follow Commotion with Alameen Abdu Mahmoud

0:27.7

on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts.

0:32.3

This is a CBC podcast.

0:41.3

What happens when AI enters the courtroom? And who's accountable when AI gets it wrong?

0:45.3

Hi, I'm Sam Mullins, and I'm a writer and podcaster, and I created the critically acclaimed

0:51.3

podcasts, Chameleon Wild Boys and Sea of Lies from CBC's Uncover.

0:56.6

And I want to tell you about my brand new podcast.

0:59.6

It's called The Expert Witness.

1:02.1

The small city of Akron, Ohio, was drowning in unsolved murders until one day something

1:08.4

happened.

1:08.9

And suddenly those cold cases started to get closed.

1:14.0

A groundbreaking Canadian AI technology was coming to the rescue,

1:19.7

tracking criminal behavior to bring justice where humans had failed.

1:24.5

But as the cases stack up and charges are laid, two lawyers grow skeptical.

1:30.5

Human cracks begin to appear in this mysterious new technology. Can the doubters open up this

1:36.7

black box and reveal its true workings before it takes hold across the world?

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