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slash voxpod this is recode media with peter kofka that is me i'm going to skip the rest

of the usual intro because this is not a usual episode.

This is sort of a mini episode free, a bonus episode. You're welcome.

This is a brief conversation I had with Jane Mayer, the great New Yorker writer,

who just put out a great story about the Trump administration and Fox News and how they're basically the same thing.

I'm sure you have read that story by now.

If not, you should go read that story and then listen to this.

This is me and Jane talking on the phone.

You can listen to it right now.

I'm speaking with The New Yorker's most excellent investigative reporter, Jane Mayer.

Hi, Jane.

Hi, great to be with you. As everyone

listening to this knows by now, you published an amazing story about Fox News and the Trump

administration and their very, very tight connections. You've done amazing reporting in the past about

the CIA, the Supreme Court, the Kochs, other powerful institutions. What is going up against

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