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I'm Caleb Brown.

The Janice ruling at the Supreme Court promises to voluntarily

disentangle government workers from the unions that would otherwise represent

them. But New York has taken a different approach. Ken Girardin is a policy analyst at the Empire Center.

We spoke at the State Policy Network annual meeting this year.

The Janice ruling gave us, you know, gave public sector workers an option that a lot of private sector workers have had for years in various states the ability to

opt out of certain union fees that were associated with getting receiving representation

from those unions, whether or not somebody was interested in having a union represent

them. And for for you know places like the Mackinaw

center that have spent decades working on labor policy and elsewhere it seems

like well now that you know it's it's time to celebrate but at

least in New York and presumably other states and I know this has been in the been the case in Michigan as well.

This is the beginning of another fight.

So what is the status in New York right now with respect to agency fees and at post Janus?

The Janus ruling made a very important change in New York in that it meant that are roughly 1.2 million public employees couldn't be forced to pay a union as a condition of employment.

The big problem with virtually any Supreme Court ruling is that it's not self-executed. It gave people a right to choose, but it came after

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