The New Statesman.

Yesterday, Kirstama met Volodymyr Zelensky to sign a new defense partnership.

The Ukrainian president said he faced a missile shortage due to the war in Iran,

and Kirstama resolved to remain focused on the fight against Russia.

But is the war in Eastern Europe only the first act of a much wider conflict?

I'm Oli Dugmore and you're listening to Daily Politics from The New Statesman.

Joining me today is Deputy Editor, Royal Correspondent and indeed Ukraine correspondent, Will Lloyd.

Hello, Will.

Hi, Oli, hello.

Will, you visited Ukraine last month.

Your piece is on the front of this week's magazine.

Deals with a central question of this geopolitical moment. Are we heading for a new world war?

Tell me, when you arrived in Ukraine and you have been before, what struck you about it?

What was notable to you when you got there?

There are some things that are always the same there. So one of the things I don't think I can really, as a writer,

I don't think I've ever adequately captured,

is just how frightening and how nauseous it feels to be in Ukraine.

There's obviously a lot of heroism.

There's obviously a lot of sacrifice. There's obviously a lot of sacrifice.

There's obviously a great deal of inspiring things that happen in Ukraine. And Ukrainian civil

society is an amazing organism that has adapted to this war in extraordinary ways. The technological

innovation that we've seen in Ukraine, people working in sheds and bunkers, small startups, groups of 10, eight men working with AI and drones, is, again, astonishing.

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