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🗓️ 10 December 2025
⏱️ 179 minutes
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In this episode, Matt sits down with Dr. Michael Barber—professor of Sacred Scripture and Theology at the Augustine Institute. (Fun fact: Dr. Barber was Matt's first college professor!)
Matt and Dr. Barber focus their conversation on the Gospels, particularly the historical accuracy of the Gospels, how much of the Gospel is fact vs. myth, evidence for the proof of Jesus' existence, the problems with Jesus Mythicism, what Historical Jesus Scholarship is and why it differs from belief, and much more.
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| 0:15.2 | Do we really have any good reason to think that what the authors recorded actually happened? Is this something that developed |
| 0:24.0 | over the time? Maybe it's not pure myth, but maybe so much myth has grown up around it that it's |
| 0:29.0 | really not something we can trust. And you can hear Paul is getting in his rhetorical mode, right? He's |
| 0:33.6 | really, he's really leaning into this. Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? |
| 0:39.8 | I thank God that I baptized none of you, except Christus and Gaius. |
| 0:44.5 | I love it. So that no one can say that you were baptized in my name. And then he says, |
| 0:48.6 | I did baptize also the household of Stephanus. Beyond that, I don't know. Was I baptized? Can't that just |
| 0:53.5 | mean sitting among the teachers, but he himself isn't one? Well, it's like there's Matt Fred sitting among the scholars. But she's not one, but he... But typically, it's the teachers that sit in the ancient world. Right. So usually the audience stands. As a professor, I feel like I got the short end of the stick on this because I have to |
| 1:11.2 | stand. |
| 1:12.2 | Every time in the Septuagint, you find Lord Lord, it's because you have in the Hebrew Adonai tetragraton |
| 1:20.0 | So when Jesus says, Lord, Lord, he's not just saying I'm a king. |
| 1:26.0 | Staples argues, he's saying, I am the Lord God. |
| 1:34.2 | Hey, everybody. |
| 1:35.3 | Before we get into today's interview, I want to tell you about my brand new book. |
| 1:39.6 | It's called Jesus, Our Refuge. |
| 1:43.0 | If you, like many people, and like all of us to one degree or another, |
| 1:46.5 | have been seeking refuge in things other than Jesus Christ and have just found yourself |
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