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Trains now on Uber. Tees and sees apply check the Uber app. Welcome to the new statesman podcast on the road, the occasional segment

when we actually get out of the office and meet the people who make their decisions

in politics rather than the people who whibble on about the decisions in

politics from the comfort of a journalist desk. In that

context I'm honored to be joined by the shallow Secretary of State for Northern Ireland

Ivan Lewis from his magnificent office in Westminster with a view of the Sharve and the London Eye.

I'm a generation for whom Northern Ireland was in the news every week, every day.

It was one of the most pressing issues then mercifully for all the

right reasons the Salience that dropped right down last week we have this this case

of a suspect in a terrorism trial who walked away from court because it transpired.

He had had a letter of assurance that he was no longer considered on the run.

And this obviously reopened a lot of wounds and left a lot of people very angry. So just from the

opposition's point of view are you satisfied now with the way this has been

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