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Cancel any time T's and sees apply. Hello and welcome to the New Statesman podcast I'm Caroline Crampton, we're

others with the new statesman podcast. I'm Caroline Crampton where others with the Hello and This week we talked to our science columnist Michael Brooks about the greatest scientist you've never heard of

and Philip Morne and I discuss sex on TV. But first Helen Lewis talks to our crack political team of

Raphael Bear and George Eaton about the weekend politics. I'm joined by a political editor Ralph Armbare and George Eaton editor of The Staggars.

First of all, we're going to talk a little bit.

George, this week you interviewed Neil Kinnock.

Yes, all right. You get all the cool gigs. What did he say to you that was of

particularly of interest? Well the top line I think was on the EU referendum so he said labour must absolutely not

support referendum on membership and that's interesting because there's still

quite a little speculation that labour could you turn on this at some point

before the election so milliband didn't use his conference speech to do that, but there's a chance they will use the window between the results of the 2014 European elections if they do badly, if they're beaten by UKIP if

you could become second say okay we recognize now we need to lance the EU boil but

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