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Intelligence Squared

The New Optimism, with Matt Ridley, Johan Norberg, David Runciman and Laura Kuenssberg

Intelligence Squared

Intelligence Squared

Arts, News, Society & Culture, News Commentary

4.21.1K Ratings

🗓️ 20 January 2017

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

Are you an optimist or a pessimist? And why should it matter? After what for many of us has been an annus horribilis in 2016, pessimists seem to have all the best tunes. Terror attacks, horror headlines from Syria, a tide of hatred and resentment poisoning our politics: the world looks increasingly grim. But what about the actual facts? If you step back and examine the data, it’s clear that life is better today for the majority of people than at any previous time in history. And we’re not just talking about the developing world, where progress has been remarkable. Here in the West, most of us have never had it so good. Just look at the improvements in health and longevity, the breadth of entertainment available, and the opportunities to travel that we blithely take for granted. In this special Intelligence Squared event, we examined two fundamentally opposing worldviews. In the optimists’ corner were Matt Ridley, author of the prize-winning The Rational Optimist, and Johan Norberg, whose latest book is Progress: Ten Reasons to Look Forward to the Future. They argued that the progress that has been made over the past centuries – whether in education, child labour, poverty or violent deaths – is now running at an unprecedented pace and that there is every reason to think that it will continue for decades to come. But is their essentially rationalist approach one that can really explain what appears to be the conflict-ridden world we live in? After all, many of us have never felt so gloomy and perplexed. This tension is not new. It has run through mainstream political thought since the Enlightenment. It set rationalists such as Adam Smith and J. S. Mill against those who sought to interpret the darker side of human nature such as Rousseau and Dostoevsky. They have been joined more recently by behavioural economists such as Daniel Kahneman and Richard Thaler. For these latter thinkers, rationalism will always fail to give a full account of human behaviour. Exploring this line of thought in our event was the acclaimed political scientist David Runciman. And steering the discussion was be the BBC’s star political editor Laura Kuenssberg. Optimist or pessimist? Some say that pessimism is dangerous, as it’s the emotions of fear and nostalgia that are fertile breeding grounds for populist demagogues. Others argue that too optimistic a view can blind us to the real threats facing our freedoms and democracy. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/intelligencesquared. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So you've arrived you head to the brasserie then the terrace cocktail don't mind if I do

0:08.5

You raise your glass to another guest because you both know the holidays just beginning.

0:14.0

And you're only in Terminal 3.

0:18.0

Welcome to Virgin Atlantic's unique upper class clubhouse experience

0:22.0

where you'll feel like you've arrived before you've taken off.

0:26.0

Virgin Atlantic, see the world differently.

0:30.0

This episode is brought to you by Pepsi Max.

0:34.0

Christmas is great, but there's loads of ways to make it better.

0:38.0

Like sneaking some chili into the gravy for some extra ink,

0:42.0

or building a playlist that will even get your

0:44.8

nann up on the table or just cracking open an ice cold Pepsi Max. Christmas better with Pepsi Max.

0:55.0

Thank you very much, Hannah.

1:00.0

Thank you very much for that.

1:03.0

Nice welcome.

1:04.0

It's very nice to be here.

1:05.0

Very exciting for me to do it for the first time.

1:08.0

So I can start by saying, I'm feeling very optimistic

1:11.0

about this evening at least, and I wonder who else in the audience is feeling cheerful

1:16.0

excited and sometimes don't they feelings of elation and trepidation sometimes aren't that far from feelings of being

1:26.2

frightened a bit trepidicious in a funny way the human feelings that all

1:30.5

encourage adrenaline to course round our veins can come from negative and positive readings of exactly the same situation.

1:37.0

And of course different individuals look at exactly the same situation, 2016, in very different ways.

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