Hey everybody. It's another edition of the Shay Anything podcast, Doug Williams alongside Andy Martino.

I don't feel bloated today. Good. You feel nice and healthy. You've been working in the Mets pregame and post game this weekend. So you've been very close and watching very closely what's been happening with this team.

I've been trying to figure out whether to start big or start a little bit smaller.

So let's start with Mickey Calloway, Andy, because I'm gathering that a lot of the takeaways from,

whether it's Thursday, Friday night, Saturday night, and into Sunday, a lot of the takeaways from, whether it's Thursday,

Friday night, Saturday night, and into Sunday, a lot of it has to do with Mickey Calloway,

and there's a couple different ways to look at it.

He was very critical of the team yesterday, maybe more so than he has been ever.

No question.

Yeah, ever in his tenure.

And then if you trace it back to him pulling de Grom out of the game, and I know

that's something you have a lot to say about, he had that quote after that was like, sometimes

you got to make them hate you for a little while. I forget what the exact wording was.

Just seems like in this interesting phase of his tenure as Mets manager, and you've said on this

podcast, he is, they don't view him as the guy, the Mets manager, and you've said on this podcast, he is,

they don't view him as the guy, then Mets don't, moving forward. Do you find this, I don't know

if you want to call it bravado, whatever you want to call it, do you find the timing of

that interesting on his part? Well, I hope that he is just deciding to be a little bit more fully himself

in public in terms of saying, I mean, look, he's a human being. He must get mad sometimes.

He's been so careful about what he said. And I thought he did it on Sunday exactly the right way.

Rewind, leaving the DeGrom thing out of it for a second,

rewind to Saturday. Actually, I noticed it for the first time. He had a terrible night with bullpen

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