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Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast

The New ICE Directive To Detain Lawful Refugees

Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast

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4.4675 Ratings

🗓️ 20 February 2026

⏱️ 22 minutes

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0:00.0

This is Brian Lairor's Daily Politics podcast from WNYC Studios.

0:10.5

It's Friday, February 20th.

0:14.8

I'm Cusha Navadar filling in for Brian today.

0:18.4

Happy Friday, everyone.

0:20.0

On Wednesday, the Trump administration issued

0:22.9

a memo directing immigration officers to detain lawful refugees who aren't yet permanent U.S.

0:30.2

residents. It's the latest policy to limit the legal pathways to naturalizations. In fact,

0:36.2

those legal pathways are themselves now ways in which

0:40.2

aspiring residents are targeted, arrested, detained, and potentially deported. Much of this work is

0:47.2

happening through an agency within the Department of Homeland Security called the U.S. Citizenship

0:53.0

and Immigration Services, or U.S. CIS.

0:56.3

For two decades, USCIS was seen as the friendlier side of DHS. It didn't make arrests or

1:03.7

participate in sweeps. U.S.C.I. officers filed immigration paperwork, conducted interviews,

1:10.1

and administered the pathways to citizenship

1:12.4

or permanent residency. But as my next guest has reported, the nature of that agency has changed.

1:18.8

Aspiring citizens and green card holders, including here in New York, appear at scheduled

1:24.4

meetings to move their process along, only to find out they are going

1:28.4

to be arrested.

1:30.0

So what is going on inside USCIS and are the legal pathways to citizenship still safe?

1:36.9

Joining us is Jonathan Blitzer, New Yorker, staff writer, and the author of Everyone Who

1:41.6

Is Gone is Here, the United States, Central America, and the

1:45.0

making of a crisis. Jonathan, you with me? Yes, I am. Wonderful. It's so nice to have you here.

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