Hey, how are you?

Hey, Ross, how are you?

I'm great, I'm great.

What an amazing head of hair you have.

This is great.

Thank you, thank you.

You look fantastic.

You look vital, one might say.

Thank you.

This is a very important part of the discourse on the online right, you know.

Well, we're going to get into that.

From New York Times opinion, I'm Ross Douthit, and this is Interesting Times. There's been a lot of talk about a vibe shift since Donald Trump's election and return to office,

a change not just in American politics, but in American culture, a sense that right-wing personalities

are suddenly driving cultural discourse. And one way I've been thinking about this is in terms

of a phrase that is traditionally applied to the left. And that phrase is counterculture.

I think the best way to understand politics right now is that the United States,

for the first time in my lifetime, has a real right-wing counterculture, a edgy, radical-seeming

alternative to the status quo. And so I thought one way to talk about that counterculture was

to invite someone who I see, we'll see if he disagrees, as one of its

representatives, and that's you, Jonathan. So Jonathan Kieberman, welcome to interesting times.

Ross, it is great to be here. We've known each other for a while online, of course. Purely as

digital entities. Well, you know, I'm seeing your face across for me on the

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