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Was there ever such a time? I can't imagine it. Yeah. The world's gone crazy.

It has. How was your flight yesterday, American Airlines? Did you get stuck at home or did you get stuck at the airport?

Well, we got stuck at home and at the airport. So we got delayed 6 a.m. to 11. We showed up.

Then it was 4 o'clock. I am so sorry. We were just going to cancel. They said, okay, we'll make it 2 o'clock to make us go. So we ended up going, yeah, we were stoked actually so if they if you had have canceled they would have lost the money

because they would have refunded no no we would have lost the money i'm sure they would not have

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