The Need for Reconstruction: Dan Koch on Deconstruction, Eucharist, and a New Kind of Church - w/ Dan Koch

Voxology

Religion & Spirituality, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.7 • 1K Ratings

🗓️ 15 May 2017

⏱️ 82 minutes

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Summary

How can we move beyond deconstruction and actually begin to rebuild a meaningful, Jesus-centered faith? In this special crossover episode, Mike Erre and Andy interview theologian and podcast host Dan Koch for a rich, honest exchange on spiritual reconstruction, Eucharist-centered community, and how to foster real unity in an age of division. Both Dan and the Vox team reflect on their mutual journeys of disillusionment with traditional evangelicalism and explore what it looks like to reconstruct thoughtful, inclusive expressions of faith that hold space for complexity, difference, and depth.

This episode unpacks some of the most important questions for Christians today: What should the church really look like? How do we offer a seat at the table for affirming and non-affirming Christians alike? And how the Eucharist might be the best shot we have at unity in the midst of polarized conversations about politics, sexuality, and theology.

Key Takeaways:
• From Bad Christian to Reconstruction – Dan Koch shares how his time with the Bad Christian podcast and the Liturgists fueled a desire to move into a constructive theological space, leading him to launch Depolarize and Reconstruct podcasts.
• Reconstructing Faith after Deconstruction – Why the journey from questioning to rebuilding is necessary for long-term spiritual health, and how Eucharist plays a pivotal role in anchoring that process.
• Making Room in the Church Without Taking Sides – The Vox team unpacks why they refuse to label their church as “affirming” or “non-affirming,” and how they’re cultivating a community where LGBTQ+ and non-LGBTQ+ Christians share communion and service.
• The Role of the Table in Human Identity – Exploring how the practice of regular communion invites us to form our identity around Christ, not preferences, politics, or lifestyle.
• Politics, Identity, and Jesus – A candid discussion on white evangelical support for Trump, why political ideology often overrides kingdom values, and how to reclaim Jesus as the center of our Christian identity.
• Invitation over Condemnation – Reimagining the church as a “well” that draws people in with Jesus rather than a fenced-in space defined by who’s in and who’s out.

Guest Highlights:
Dan Koch – Host of the Depolarize and Reconstruct podcasts, Dan is known for his engaging conversations around difficult theological and political issues. A former member of the band Sherwood and veteran of the Bad Christian podcast world, Dan brings experience, humility, and intelligence to the space between doubt and belief.

Resources Mentioned:
• Reconstruct Podcast – reconstructpodcast.com
• Depolarize Podcast – depolarizepodcast.com
• Anthony Bloom – Beginning to Pray
• Michael Ware Interview – Search past Vox Podcast episodes
• Pacific Gold Band – pacificgoldband.com
• Karl Rahner and Edward Schillebeeckx – Catholic theologians influencing Dan’s thought on sacraments and faith reconstruction

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0:00.0	Hey, everybody. Mike and Andy here.
0:14.7	Vox World Headquarters, Brea, California.
0:17.5	We're grateful you're tuning in again.
0:19.5	And it is a gorgeous day after a couple days of clouds.
0:22.2	I know you're curious in the middle of May.
0:24.2	Yeah.
0:25.1	2017, about 75 degrees.
0:28.0	Right.
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0:29.7	And he's in his tank top, and so that's a big deal.
0:31.8	He's not wearing ducks gear.
0:33.2	I am.
0:33.5	He's got a hat.
0:34.1	No, I am wearing my ducks gear.
0:35.4	But they just won a game seven, so yippee.
0:38.2	Broke a four-year curse.
0:39.5	It's more than a yippee.
0:40.6	It's a holy cow, we're going to get killed by the predators.
0:44.1	Okay.
0:45.4	So, evidently, that's another hockey team for those of you that are unaware.
0:50.0	Today we've got an interesting show. Oh, and by the way, thank you for those of you that have written in or texted that have just said you've been praying. That means a lot. Still in the
0:59.6	thick of anxiety and depression. It's really bad today. And it's so encouraging, first of all,
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