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and we expose the existential threats to America.

I get great help in this from my colleague,

Claude.

You're very generous and kind to say great help.

I'm around and I try.

By the way, people should, again,

if you didn't listen to the episode that was released with

bill on television talking about the college campuses please go back and

listen to those it's some really really good stuff thank you you're kind all

right joining me today Heather Mac. Heather is the Thomas W Smith

fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor of City Journal. She's also the

author of the book, When Race trumps merit of the pursuit of equity

sacrifices excellence, destroys beauty, and threatens lives.

Wow, she is a power-packed writer and thinker and you've heard her before.

She'll tell like it is.

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Other, thank you so much for joining us today. You're listening to the Bill Bennett Show.

I read, I just heard again your speech

at Hilldale, or at least what Hillsdale put in their premise.

Very impressive.

I was talking about the country,

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