The Nazi Era: Episode 2: Overview Part I

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🗓️ 30 January 2025

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In this first of two introductory episodes, hear how the walls closed in on LGBTQ people after Hitler came to power through the recorded and written memories of multiple queer people who witnessed or fell victim to the Nazis’ persecution. Visit our episode webpage for additional resources, archival photos, and a transcript of the episode. For exclusive Making Gay History bonus content, join our Patreon community. ——— -The interview segment of Bertram Schaffner is from the archive of the USC Shoah Foundation – The Institute for Visual History and Education, © 1998 USC Shoah Foundation. For more information about the USC Shoah Foundation, go here. -The Eric Langer letter is an excerpt from The Pink Triangle by Richard Plant. Copyright © 1986 by Richard Plant. Used by permission of Henry Holt and Company. All Rights Reserved. -Michael Rittermann audio from the 1989 documentary Desire: Sexuality in Germany 1910-1945 (dir. Stuart Marshall) used by permission of Maya Vision International. -RG-50.030.0445, oral history interview with Rolf Hirschberg, courtesy of the Jeff and Toby Herr Oral History Archive, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington, D.C. For more information about the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, go here. -The unpublished Liddy Bacroff writings reside at the Staatsarchiv der Freien und Hansestadt Hamburg, 242-4 Nr. 339. ——— To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:05.0	Eric here.
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1:00.3	There was one evening when I, I think my mother had gone to bed and I went out for a stroll.
1:15.3	And somebody else was strolling and I wanted to make contact.
1:21.8	I thought he was interested in making contact too.
1:25.9	It was 1936 and Bertram Schaffner was out cruising in Berlin.
1:31.3	He was an American in his mid-20s, and he and his German-born mother were visiting Germany
1:35.3	three years into the Nazi's reign.
1:38.3	She was trying to persuade her Jewish relatives to get out of the country.
1:42.3	When a man caught Schaffner's eye that night,
1:45.2	Schaffner sensed that something was wrong.
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