The Nazi Era: Episode 12: Epilogue

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🗓️ 10 April 2025

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In this final episode, we reflect on why there are so few testimonies from LGBTQ people who survived the Nazi era and on the responsibility we have to honor the testimonies we do have in the face of the unfolding dark times here at home. Visit our episode webpage for additional resources, archival photos, and a transcript of the episode. For exclusive Making Gay History bonus content, join our Patreon community. ——— -Audio of the 1990 interview with Josef Kohout used by permission of QWIEN, the Center for Queer History in Vienna. -The Josef Kohout book excerpt is from Heinz Heger’s The Men with the Pink Triangle, Haymarket Books, Chicago, 2023. Used by permission of the publisher. Original German edition Die Männer mit dem rosa Winkel © 1972/2014 MERLIN VERLAG Andreas Meyer Verlags GmbH. & Co. KG, Gifkendorf, Germany. English translation by David Fernbach © 2004 MERLIN VERLAG Andreas Meyer Verlags GmbH. & Co. KG, Gifkendorf, Germany. -Audio of Dr. Walter Reich and Rabbi Sharon Kleinbaum from the October 10, 1996, ceremony courtesy of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington, D.C. -RG-50.030.0841, oral history interview with Gary H. Philipp, courtesy of the Jeff and Toby Herr Oral History Archive, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington, D.C. For more information about the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, go here. ——— To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	I'm Making Gay History Family. Eric here. Like a lot of organizations, we've had to rethink our mission and work in light of the new regime in Washington, D.C.
0:13.0	We'll continue to produce new seasons of the podcast, but we're also devoting more resources to our education work.
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1:13.4	The world's first memorial to gay victims of the Nazi regime was unveiled in 1984 at the
1:20.4	former Mauthausen concentration camp in Austria. It's a 47 by 27-inch pink granite plaque in the shape of an inverted triangle mounted on a brick wall at the southwestern edge of what remains of the camp's detention area.
1:36.5	On it are the words Tokushlagen, Tokushfigen.
1:41.4	Beaten to death, silence to death.
2:00.2	Music Feegan. Beaten to death, silence to death. I'm Eric Marcus, and this is Making Gay History, the Nazi era.
2:07.6	Telling the story of the experiences of LGBTQ people during the rise of the Nazi regime,
2:14.6	World War II, and the Holocaust, means contending with
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