The naughty child of NATO?
The Europeans | European news, politics and culture
Katy Lee and Dominic Kraemer
4.8 • 162 Ratings
🗓️ 18 May 2023
⏱️ 37 minutes
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Summary
We've been glued to the Turkish elections over the past week. But what does Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's victory in the first round mean for the country, and for Europe as a whole? This week we ring up political scientist Ahmet Erdi Öztürk to find out. We're also talking about a big boost in Germany's support for Ukraine, a fake tan controversy, and the teeny tiny bridge behind the Mona Lisa.
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You can follow Erdi on Twitter @ahmeterdiozturk.
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This week's Isolation Inspiration: Cautionary Tales: 'The Man Who Bet His House on a Pop Song - A Eurovision Tale' and 'The Hundred-Year-Old Man Who Climbed Out The Window And Disappeared' by Jonas Jonasson
00:22 Together again
03:31 Good Week: Is Germany's Ukraine 'turning point' actually here?
11:27 Red-faced over orange-face
19:26 Interview: Ahmet Erdi Öztürk on the Turkish elections
28:23 Isolation Inspiration: 'The Man Who Bet His House on a Pop Song' and 'The Hundred-Year-Old Man Who Climbed Out The Window And Disappeared'
33:19 Happy Ending: A Mona Lisa mystery solved?
Producers: Katy Lee and Wojciech Oleksiak
Mixing and mastering: Wojciech Oleksiak
Music: Jim Barne and Mariska Martina
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, Dominic. how are things over there? |
| 0:26.4 | I'm here. |
| 0:27.6 | On the other side of the table. |
| 0:29.1 | Yeah. |
| 0:29.5 | We're together in Amsterdam listeners, recording in the same physical place for the first time |
| 0:34.0 | in a very long time. |
| 0:35.6 | And it's very nice to see you, even if I have been |
| 0:38.1 | banned from looking at you while we're recording, because you find it off-putting, apparently. |
| 0:43.8 | I really appreciate that you're respecting my wishes. Do you want me to go in the other room, |
| 0:48.1 | so it feels more like I'm in Paris? Well, we did discuss that as an option, quite seriously, |
| 0:52.7 | actually listeners. But no, I think I can deal with |
| 0:54.8 | this. I can deal with you just so long as you don't look at me too much. Good to know. |
| 0:59.6 | How have you been enjoying Amsterdam, Katie? It's been lovely, thank you. Yeah, your city's been |
| 1:03.6 | treating me very well. This week, I went on a boat tour while you were away yesterday. And I was |
| 1:09.5 | lucky enough to sail past your workplace, the Dutch |
| 1:11.9 | National Opera. And the tour guide on the boat was incredibly rude about your building. She said it was |
| 1:18.0 | the ugliest building in Amsterdam. That's really not called for. I didn't know what to say. |
| 1:22.9 | I mean, it's not the most aesthetically pleasing building from the outside, but actually when you're inside |
| 1:28.4 | in the foyer, it's really gorgeous and it catches the light beautifully. Well, you've actually got |
| 1:33.3 | to get to that building, I believe, at some point this evening. So we should get on with this show. |
| 1:37.9 | But first, tell me, you spent this weekend hanging out with the queen herself, Beyonce, over in Brussels. |
| 1:45.7 | Was it everything you dreamed of? |
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