Hi, I'm Otto. Welcome to Ellen's Health Budcast.

Today's episode, I think, will be relatable to a lot of people.

We focus on narcissists dating a narcissist,

being married to a narcissist, having a parent as a narcissist.

And our guest is Dr. Jamie Zuckerman. She goes by Dr. Z.

She's a licensed clinical psychologist. That is true.

She specializes in my voice, I'm sorry.

You have to bear with my voice in this episode. I have lost my voice.

Why don't you let me take over?

Okay, I just want to say she specializes in stress and anxiety,

which is something I live with on a regular basis.

She also has her own podcast.

She does, it's called, it's me, Dr. Z with JB.

And so this episode is very interesting. We talk about narcissism.

We talk about identifying if someone actually is an narcissist,

or if you just are calling them one because they're an asshole.

She plays a difference between an asshole and an narcissist.

And we talk about just dealing with stressful family situations,

and the holiday time dynamics. What happens when you go home

and, you know, your family pokes fun at you for being single.

For instance, we tackle how to navigate going home for the holidays

and dealing with, you know,

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