The Mythos mess and your AI questions, answered

The Vergecast

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🗓️ 16 June 2026

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Anthropic and the US government are once again at odds, this time over the Claude Fable 5 model that either is, or is not, or might be, far too dangerous to release to the world. The Verge's Hayden Field explains what's going on with Fable, Mythos, and the whole idea of American AI exceptionalism, before also answering your questions about how WhatsApp and Siri might one day work together, and whether Apple messed up by calling it Siri AI.[10:24 AM] ⁠Inside the fight over Claude Mythos 5⁠ ⁠Anthropic cuts off Fable 5 and Mythos 5 access following government order⁠ ⁠I tried Siri AI, and so far it actually works⁠ ⁠Subscribe to The Verge⁠ for unlimited access to ⁠theverge.com⁠, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ⁠ad-free podcast feed⁠. We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to ⁠vergecast@theverge.com⁠ or call us at 866-VERGE11. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:18.5	Welcome to the Vergecast, the flagship podcast of Mythos Class Models.
1:22.6	I'm your friend David Pierce, and today on the show, we're going to talk about AI.
1:26.4	We got a lot of questions from all of you
1:28.7	over the last couple of weeks after Google I.O. and Microsoft Build and Apple's WWDC about all
1:34.9	things AI. And then we had a just truly chaotic blowup between Anthropic and the US government
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