This episode of The Hardman Podcast is brought to you by Backwards Planning Financial and Joe Garrison,

by Alpine Gold, by Max D Trailers, by Salt and Streams Butchery, and by Living Stones. Welcome to this episode of the Hard Men Podcast. I'm your host Eric Khan and

joined by one of my favorite Twitter followers and just an account I love Renaissance and men.

Will Spencer, thanks so much for joining me for this episode of the podcast.

Thanks, Erica, I'm grateful to be here, a big fan of everything you do as well, so thanks for inviting

me on. Yeah, absolutely. I remember the last time I was on your

podcast it was like a three hour affair and I felt like it was one of those this is like a

Joe Rogan deep dive I guess and that kind of inspired me so I was like you know I want to have

Will on and I want to you have such an interesting past how he got involved with you

know masculinity in general.

One of the things we were talking about recently that maybe we can start here,

but you had posted about this, and it kind of peaked my interest.

You had posted about the mythopoeetic men's movement and I want to ask you in just a second what that's about

The reason it struck me and struck a chord with me was because we have all these kind of new dynamics in the men's movement happening.

One of them, I think my wife was at a library, she found a book, it was called Iron John.

She said, I don't know if you'd be interested in this.

I know you, you you know obviously I have

Masculinity podcast. Started reading the book found some things interesting found

some of it very strange. I've covered it on the show but I guess I didn't realize it was part of this broader movement and then kind of full circle I see people like Karen Swallow prior you know sort of like the more left-leaning people in

evangelicalism they're perfectly happy promoting this type of

masculinity you had a post about this and I said oh this is making a lot more

sense now so first of all just why me to do like what is the

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