The Myth That Busing Failed

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🗓️ 18 July 2019

⏱️ 28 minutes

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The first Democratic debate brought renewed attention to busing as a tool of school desegregation. We spoke to a colleague about what the conversation has been missing. Guest: Nikole Hannah-Jones, who writes about racial injustice for The New York Times Magazine. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Background reading: “The school bus, treasured when it was serving as a tool of segregation, became reviled only when it transformed into a tool of integration,” Nikole Hannah-Jones writes in a news analysis.

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0:00.0	From the New York Times, I'm Lincoln Bobardo. This is David.
0:06.2	Do you agree today that you were wrong to oppose
0:10.0	blessing in America? Then, do you agree?
0:12.8	I did not oppose blessing in America.
0:15.6	The first democratic debate brought renewed attention to blessing
0:20.6	as a tool of school desegregation. My colleague, Nicole Hannah Jones,
0:26.7	on what the conversation since then has been missing.
0:33.2	It's Thursday, July 18th.
0:38.4	Nicole, I want to start by going back a couple of weeks to the first democratic primary debate.
0:43.1	What's on your mind as that debate comes to an end?
0:46.6	I'm just really surprised that Kamala Harris goes so directly at Joe Biden about the issue of
0:54.4	blessing and school desegregation was very unexpected.
0:58.3	And I'm kind of watching the conversation on Twitter.
1:02.6	And almost universally, people were saying,
1:05.2	busing was a failed policy.
1:07.0	You want to talk about busing? I was a PN Boston.
1:10.5	Don't you say it? It was a failure.
1:13.1	She should have been against busing. We should have been against busing.
1:16.5	Busing was super unpopular and busing was a failure.
1:19.1	People didn't like busing. Black people, white people,
1:21.4	nobody liked busing. It wasn't the right solution.
1:23.2	And what did you make of that? Because I have to admit, my sense is that busing was something
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