The Myth of John Roberts vs. Donald Trump
Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts
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🗓️ 30 May 2026
⏱️ 64 minutes
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Summary
Dahlia Lithwick and Mark Joseph Stern, Slate’s dynamic legal duo, preview the final weeks of the Supreme Court term. It’s a “three-ring circus”: the merits docket, the shadow docket, and the justices’ increasingly public intramural snipings and gripes. Dahlia and Mark take a look back at the major decisions the court has issued so far this term on global tariffs, conversion therapy for LGBTQ minors, and of course Callais, which gutted the Voting Rights Act and is supercharging gerrymandering ahead of the midterms. Then, Dahlia and Mark look ahead to the blockbuster decisions expected in the coming weeks: birthright citizenship, immigration cases involving temporary protected status and green card holders, executive power fights over the firing of the Fed’s Lisa Cook and independent agency officials, and election cases that could dramatically change campaign finance laws and the counting of mail-in ballots.
Next, they explain the court’s flurry of opaque shadow docket orders—and what it means for immigration enforcement, to impoundment, trans rights, access to abortion medication, and redistricting.
Finally, Dahlia and Mark parse the leaks and personal attacks that have spilled out into public from the usually tight-lipped confines of One First Street, and why this Supreme Court is fueling a newfound appetite for court reform among Americans.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Amicus Slate's podcast about the courts, the law, and the Supreme Court. |
| 0:09.3 | I'm Dahlia Lithwick. |
| 0:12.5 | You have a story about the reasons why we should go back to what you view as the original meaning. |
| 0:19.0 | It is an Overton window case that should be seen as such. |
| 0:22.3 | Nobody should say, hey, look, they're putting Trump in his place. |
| 0:24.8 | He's really not a king. |
| 0:25.8 | If this were set as a precedent, it seems to me just thinking big picture, what goes |
| 0:33.8 | around comes around. |
| 0:35.1 | The occasional lurch toward the middle is not going to trick us into thinking that the court's going to heal itself. |
| 0:41.5 | Well, it's a new world. It's the same constitution. |
| 0:44.0 | They have created a monarchic view of the presidency by their own hand. |
| 0:51.0 | These are the cases where the court is absolutely making him a king and allowing him to consolidate so much power in the executive branch and specifically in the person of the president. |
| 1:06.7 | Welcome to Opinion Palusa, the name that we have bestowed upon the last few weeks of the Supreme Court term and the chaos, it unleashes upon us all. |
| 1:20.4 | On this week's show, I'm joined by my co-host, Mark Joseph Stern. |
| 1:24.7 | Hey there, Mark. |
| 1:25.7 | Hi, Dahlia. |
| 1:27.1 | And Mark's going to be sitting right here |
| 1:29.0 | next to me in the Amicus cockpit for the next couple of weeks in an effort to land this |
| 1:35.1 | constitutional biplane on a landing strip someplace by some time, hopefully around the end of June. |
| 1:42.9 | That's the plan. |
| 1:50.4 | In the next few weeks, we will be bringing you expert analysis from advocates, scholars, and the smartest court watchers. |
| 1:53.6 | Slate Plus members will also have access to bonus episodes. |
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