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Have I ever got a great guest for you today?

She is, let me give her the proper introduction here, Dr. Christine Webb.

She's broadly trained primatologist at Harvard's Department of Human Evolutionary Biology with expertise in social behavior, cognition, and emotion.

She works with non-human primates in diverse settings and collaborates with cognition, and emotion. She works with non-human primates in diverse

settings and collaborates with scholars, I presume those of the human type, human primate type,

from the social sciences and humanities to reimagine the role of science in the growing

charge to grant moral status to other animals.

Her work has been covered by popular outlets, including the New York Times,

Washington Post, National Geographic, and the BBC.

Here's the new book, just came out, The Arrogant Ape,

The Myth of Human Exceptionalism and Why It Matters.

All right, I guess entry into your book and the topics will be this question I

have for you. I used to show the video clip that Franz showed it as TED Talk of the two

capuchin monkeys separated in a cage translucent so we can see what's going on where they

swap a little pebble, which is the equivalent of money for some particular food reward. The one

gets a piece of cucumber and the other one gets a grape. And, you know, the hilarity ensues when

the one that gets the cucumber sees the other one gets the grape and boy, is he pissed. Right. So I would

show this as, you know, kind of like a premoral sense of injustice or, you know, a primate

sense of unfairness and injustice. And he hurls the cucumber at the, anyway, and as you know,

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