Hey guys and welcome to the Moms and Mysteries podcast, a true crime podcast featuring myself,

Mandy and my dear friend, Melissa. Hi, Melissa. Hi, Mindy. How are you? I'm doing wonderful. How are you?

I'm great. We're in a new year. I mean,

when we're recording this, technically it's not a new year, but we're, we're almost there.

It'll be there. Yes. Yeah. Well, Christmas is over. So I feel like you can, we can claim the new year now.

Because once you get through Christmas, this last week of December is like that one week of the year where it's just like time isn't real. Like nothing is real anymore. It just doesn't feel like anything is normal. We're in that like weird twilight week of the year right now. It's pointless except our kids are home and then that's a whole thing. And my kids, I found out don't go back to school till January 4th I thought it might be the third and I'm like why we're all having fun it's so much

fun but hope everyone had a wonderful holiday I know it could be hard for people and so I hope it was

the best it could be if not it's over and let's move on to the rest of the year, right? There you go. That's right. That's right. So we are so excited to be back. As we said, it is a new year. And we have some really cool things on the horizon for us. And we can't wait to share about all of that with all of you. I think the main, main number one thing is that, as you heard

at the beginning of the episode, I officially introduced us as moms and mysteries. So, yeah,

very exciting. Melissa, I know. We are officially now operating under moms and mysteries.

We are. It's New Year. New Us. Yeah. Well, not new us. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Oh, also by this time, our new website will be up, Moms and Mysteries.com, our friend Rachel Hamburger, who has the coolest name in the world. I think that was her maiden name, but I still call her Rachel Hamburger. She created the site for us, and it's so great. Like, we're obsessed with it. So please check that out. There's lots of stuff on there. Yeah, we look very professional. Yeah. Well, we had a website before. So some of you may have actually seen the old website or, you know, visited the old website. But this new website, as Melissa, we were working really closely with Rachel for a long time to make

sure that we got everything was correct. And nothing of Rachel's wrongdoing. Of course, she's

wonderful. It's really Melissa and I that just don't know what we want, really. So I think we've got

to a place with it where we're like really excited. So yeah, please go check out the new website

and let us know what you think. I always hate saying that. Loaded question. What if somebody's New Year's resolution is to tell the truth no matter what? Don't contact us then. Actually, you can. You don't have to do that. Yeah. Because this site is awesome. So yeah, do it. You'll love it. It's awesome. Our old one, my husband made, which very nice of him, but he did not update anything. And so it has looked the same for five years. And he's always like, I can update it. I'm like, but you don't have the time. He's like, you could pay me. I'm like, I'm not paying you. I'll pay somebody else. Yeah. So we'll get into the story for this week. We have a really interesting case this week,

and we'll kind of talk a little bit more about it towards the end, but there is kind of,

it goes into the story that we have next week. It's not really a two-parter, but there's a little

bit of a connection there. So I'm really excited. And this was a really high profile case back in the early, early 2000. So some of you may have heard of this one before. I personally had not ever heard of this. Oh, really? Yeah. But then I wasn't really surprised. Well, I hate to always point this out to. Oh, no. Oh, no. I really wasn't that old in the year 2000. I need you to stop this. So it doesn't really surprise me that I have never actually heard of this. We're not bringing your ageism into 2023. I'm sorry. We'll leave that one at the door. So we are going to kick off the year with this episode about Robert Kissel, who was a very wealthy investment banker and was

living abroad in Hong Kong at the time of his brutal killing. Robert was a family man. He was a father

of three who had stepped into the life of his dreams when he accepted a position with Goldman

Sacks in Hong Kong in 1998. He and his family were then put up in a $20,000 a month luxury apartment

at a place called Parkview Towers. And this was fully paid for by the company. They had two

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