Hey guys and welcome.

Hey guys and welcome to the Moms and Murder podcast, a true crime podcast featuring myself Mandy and my dear friend Melissa. Hi, Melissa.

Hi, Mandy. How are you? I'm doing great. I'm happy to be back in 2020.

Happy New Year. Happy New Year.

Happy New Year.

Yay.

Nothing changes except I don't know where to scroll on like filling out forms online,

like the year.

That's it.

That's only the changes for me.

Yeah.

I'm happy to have the holidays behind us.

I had a pretty good Christmas. It was really not like the most spectacular one I think we've ever had, but it was still good. We spent time with family and it was great. So, but I'm happy that's behind us. I'm excited to move into a new year. And I'm excited to be back into doing the show. I enjoyed the break, but I like getting together and doing this with you. So this is awesome. First episode of the new year. I'm very excited.

Let's kick it off strong, right? What do you say? Not like the mess last year. Yeah. We're certainly going to try to kick it off strong. So before we get started, we just want to do a quick reminder that we will be at CrimeCon in May. It's May 1st through 3rd here in Orlando. And if you would like to get 10% off your standard badge to attend CrimeCon this year, you can use our code M&M 2020. And yeah, I think I just said that. Yeah, 10% off your standard badge. Come to CrimeCon if you want to. It's super awesome.

You won't regret it.

No, absolutely not. And it's all caps and it's all together, M and M 2020. I gave somebody that code earlier and gave them the wrong code. I won't even repeat what code I gave them because it was so far off and it will confuse people. But yes, it's all together, all in caps. MNM 2020. Yay, and we hope to see you there. We're super excited. Several people have told us they're coming and we are excited. Can't wait. Yeah, and we have a little graphic thing that we'll reshare. We've shared it on Instagram and our social media is already, but we'll share it again. So if you are looking for the code in writing to copy and paste or something like that, then you can find it there.

So we will just get right into this week's episode. A couple months ago, we discussed the case of the cyber killer, John Robinson, who used the internet to lure several women to their demise during the 80s and 90s in Kansas.

So this week, we're telling another tale of an internet-based murder,

but instead of luring victims with the internet, this week's mastermind used the internet

to manipulate a former law enforcement officer to commit murder. The crime took place in Flint,

Michigan, and before we get into the story, we're going to tell you a little about Flint

in this week's segment of we Google this city.

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