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Astonishing Legends

The Mothman Part 5

Astonishing Legends

Scott Philbrook

History, Society & Culture

4.69.8K Ratings

🗓️ 22 November 2016

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

As we approach our Thanksgiving holiday here in the United States, Astonishing Legends would like to thank our fantastic fans from all over the world with our final Part 4B of The Mothman series - the rest of the conclusions. Not only did we think this would make a good bonus for our listeners, but an undivided Part 4 would've been, shall we say, monstrous. Of all the things to be thankful for this holiday season, just remember that as weird as things are, they could always get weirder. Happy Thanksgiving everybody!

Tonight's Quote:

“I have adopted the concept of 'Ultraterrestrials' — beings and forces which coexist with us but are on another time frame; that is, they operate outside the limits of our space-time continuum yet have the ability to cross over into our reality. This other world is not a place, however, as Mars or Andromeda are places, but it is a state of energy.”

— John A. Keel, The Mothman Prophecies

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THIS JUST IN: MAN POSSIBLY PHOTOGRAPHS MOTHMAN OFF HWY 2 IN POINT PLEASANT! http://bit.ly/2fX5CrV Jim Harold's Paranormal Podcast and Campfire podcast http://jimharold.com/ Jim Harold's Paranormal Plus Club - a membership site that's worth it! http://jimharold.net/ Brad Steiger being interviewed on Jim's Paranormal Plus Club (membership required) http://bit.ly/2gaJnhF Real Monsters, Gruesome Critters, and Beasts from the Darkside by Brad Steiger http://a.co/3ACfzyL Episode 10 - Chernobyl on the Eastern Border podcast http://bit.ly/2gDRrwn AnCivs - a blog on ancient civilizations and world history http://ancivs.com/ Hans Decoz and Stacey Nicholas' Numerology blog http://bit.ly/2fyZk1h Monkey-man of Delhi http://bit.ly/2fLVu7Q The Dancing Plague of 1518 http://bit.ly/1N2bzhW Ergotism http://bit.ly/2b0KS55 Stephen King On Writing: A Memoir of the Craft http://a.co/dqJm4J4 Bird by Bird: Some Instructions on Writing and Life http://a.co/j1gnlaw The legendary Fate Magazine http://www.fatemag.com/ True Magazine http://bit.ly/2gayLz6 John A. Keel http://bit.ly/2gfyX1y Brad Steiger http://bit.ly/2gfEmpi Ivan T. Sanderson http://bit.ly/1OBN7mu Gray Barker http://bit.ly/2gDBNkI Jack Hannah on Letterman http://bit.ly/2fjoTCF "Miners, not minors" from Galaxy Quest http://bit.ly/2fzF0wz Loren Coleman's list of people who have died in connection to Mothman http://bit.ly/2fXtuLw Gray Barker’s Book of Bunk Mothman, Saucers, and MIB by John C. Sherwood http://bit.ly/22xjKKJ Gray Barker's Secret by David Halperin http://bit.ly/2fXFcWp Mass Hysteria http://bit.ly/2fYZvpW Behavioral Contagion http://bit.ly/2fyu9py The Law of Vibration http://bit.ly/2g0pk7h Massive bird spotted in Alaska! http://cnn.it/2fH4HvP The legendary Piasa bird http://bit.ly/1UDEqwX Dalnegorsk, Russia http://bit.ly/2fYXpGH 11, 13 and 33 http://bit.ly/2f2hA25 Ben Folds - Rockin' the Suburbs http://bit.ly/1lTtPgh Search for the Mothman documentary http://bit.ly/2fzoaPa Aperture hatch on the Millennium Falcon http://bit.ly/2fDuho9 NBC News article on Infrasound http://nbcnews.to/2g0fdkW Vic Tandy and infrasound on Wikipedia http://bit.ly/2fzhEYP Vladimir Gavreau and his infrasound experiments http://bit.ly/2fEtCiO The Haunted Hum (infrasound) on Mythbusters http://bit.ly/2eMp1xr Adam Savage's Indiana Jones Sankara Stones stolen! http://bit.ly/2eE2vmM NICAP's The 1967 UFO Chronology - The Mother of All Sighting Waves http://bit.ly/2eUVIpL The Silver Bridge disaster - the collapse rendered in computer animation http://bit.ly/2eMl1gq Report on the Silver Bridge collapse by the West Virginia DOT http://bit.ly/2fExe4f Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapse http://bit.ly/1VFh2T2 Colorized footage of the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse http://bit.ly/2fExTma Radiolab episode on Dreams http://bit.ly/2eUWQK4 Wake Up and Dream on Radiolab - confronting your fears with Lucid Dreaming http://bit.ly/11CdB5C Project MKUltra http://bit.ly/1ihJLqO Could a sonic weapon make your head explode? http://bit.ly/1un5Uty "Gaslighting" on Wikipedia http://bit.ly/1sUQyvs Gaslight the movie (1944) http://imdb.to/2fDurvM Origin of the "Time exists" quote http://bit.ly/2g0gDfA Weather report for the day of Mrs. Roy Grose’s 4:45 a.m. UFO sighting http://bit.ly/2fcSyCx Linda Scarberry's obituary on Cryptomundo, one of the 4 original teenagers to see Mothman http://bit.ly/2eW9DwQ Silver Bridge http://bit.ly/2flwFjC Riverside Golf Club where Connie Carpenter saw the Mothman, formerly the Mason Co. Golf Course http://bit.ly/2eMpLDl I Love Lucy entertains the cosmos http://n.pr/2eh2I0c How far have human radio broadcasts reached into our galaxy? http://bit.ly/1qAd9iI Can our TV signals be picked up by other planets? http://bbc.in/2eW80PC Actinic Conjunctivitis http://bit.ly/2dRkXIu Defense Logistics Agency website http://www.dla.mil/ Defense Logistics Agency on Wikipedia http://bit.ly/2dRmAWv Chief Cornstalk http://bit.ly/2eMmVhW Chief Cornstalk's curse http://bit.ly/2dRmDl2 Lord Dunmore's War http://bit.ly/2eXAs2l Fort Randolph, West Virginia http://bit.ly/2fcSDGp The late Beau Shertzer, whose Bloodmobile was almost carried off http://bit.ly/2eBAQqh Men In Black in a Niagra Falls hotel lobby? http://bit.ly/2eBCIiR The 1966 Cadillac De Ville http://bit.ly/2dRoxSM Gallipolis Ferry, West Virginia http://bit.ly/2eXF6NS Gallipolis, Ohio http://www.cityofgallipolis.com/ Morse Code, for when you want to communicate with a UFO using your flashlight http://bit.ly/1zxQZNV Mothman and Other Curious Encounters by Loren Coleman https://amzn.com/B00AWBQF88 The Mothman Prophecies - A True Story by John A. Keel https://amzn.com/0765334984 The Mothman Prophecies - The Movie https://amzn.com/B0000648X0 The Woodrow Derenberger interview with Ronald Maines, Gen. Mgr. of WTAP https://youtu.be/5HxY4suVjSo Point Pleasant, West Virginia http://bit.ly/2euHGdZ Gallipolis, Ohio basecamp for John Keel and the Mothman Prophecies movie crew http://bit.ly/2e3aZpU Visit the Mothman Museum! http://bit.ly/2enKY4d Attend the Mothman Festival in beautiful Point Pleasant, WV! http://bit.ly/1pjsSMO Scott always stays at the Lowe Hotel when searching for Mothman! http://www.thelowehotel.com/ Point Pleasant's "TNT Area" where the Mothman dwells http://n.pr/2drLM5A Explosion and munitions risk at the "TNT Area" http://bit.ly/2eIfuJD Inside the Eerie TNT Storage Bunkers of West Virginia on Wired http://bit.ly/2e8qeyV The Mothman and Indrid Cold story on WeekInWeird.com http://bit.ly/2eI4OuC Mothman on Wikipedia http://bit.ly/2dQ3dhn 1st sighting of the Mothman according to the WV Dept. of Commerce http://bit.ly/2drIzTK The Grinning Man on TheNightSky.org http://bit.ly/2ej1G76 The Case of Indrid Cold on Forteania http://bit.ly/2ej0hNV Assessing Wikipedia's Accuracy on NPR http://n.pr/2elZZaH

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Credits:

Episode 054 - "Mothman Part 4B" Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Edited by Sarah Vorhees, Ryan McCullough Sound Design; Research Assistance by Tess Pfeifle and the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a,k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2016 Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess. All Rights Reserved.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome back to Estonishing Legends. I'm Scott Philbrook and this is Forrest Burgess.

0:19.3

Tonight's show is presented as a Thanksgiving treat, a bonus show if you will, and free and uninterrupted.

0:25.7

We give thanks to you, our listeners. So we're just going to rejoin our original theories conversation where we left off.

0:32.5

Happy Thanksgiving.

0:46.4

We do know that activity died down. Yes, most of it. Most of it. That after this incident happened, most of the activity was over.

0:52.7

People have talked about encounters, but they're not a substantial. You can attribute them to the level of things that were happening in those 13 months, which by the way I'd like to talk a little bit about numbers.

1:05.1

Yeah, go ahead. We made an illusion to this earlier and I think this particular segment drives Cogswell, our skeptic on board, a little bit crazy.

1:12.7

He's coming at it from the perspective of a scientist, which is what he is. So they have a different thought process than the free-wheeling folks like us that like to conjecture.

1:23.5

Yes. Forrest has a friend who is a numerologist. Well, no, no. She takes a house.

1:30.7

An enthusiast. As she called herself a dilatant. Yes. Skip Harvey's little shout out to you. Skip.

1:36.0

She found it interesting and there are really interesting aspects to it, but she reads books and goes to websites and different places of information on her own.

1:46.0

She just kind of brush up on it, but she does not practice. She does not make money off of it. She just kind of does it for fun, but she knows a lot more about it than either of us.

1:54.8

So, yeah. So we asked her about it. Can we read her email here? I believe that's okay.

2:00.8

I just want to remind everyone that in terms of the structural failure of the bridge that I bar 330 is the one that failed at joint C-13.

2:08.8

I also want to remind everyone that in the 60-some-page report from the Department of Transportation or whoever did the report on the failure of the bridge, the conclusion that states exactly what happened to the bridge is paragraph 13 in the conclusions section.

2:26.8

Additionally, the bridge collapsed almost 13 months to the day after the November 15th siding that George and Linda and Steve and Mary saw of the moth man in the TNT area when they were all in the 57 Chevy, which some people say is one of the first substantial siding.

2:45.8

There were a couple of siding earlier, but either way, it was 13 months from the first siding of the moth man, give her take a few weeks to the collapse of the bridge, joint 13 is the one that failed.

2:56.8

And by happenstance, it happened to be the 13th paragraph in the conclusions page of the report where they describe this failure. So we were asking a forest friend K about this.

3:07.8

Yes, her first initial. Yes, we're keeping her anonymous, but she just said, just remember, I'm a deletant, no expert. So she's taken everything with a grain of salt. I think one can find meaning in quotes behind all numbers, if you look close enough, as with anything else, bias confirmation, as you are aware, can and will influence most interpretations. None of this is an exact science. All of it is open to interpretation.

3:30.8

Because those caveats laid bare, it depends on how deep you want to dig into the numbers. It would be interesting to analyze the names and birthdays of the 46 people who died as well as those who survived, but that would be a huge undertaking.

3:42.8

I know there was a formula to calculate pinnacle and challenge numbers for historical dates, but I think it differs from the formula used to calculate these numbers for people. Unfortunately, I only know how to calculate these numbers for people because they are based on birth dates.

3:56.8

One of my favorite numerology bloggers is this guy Hans Dekos or decos DECOZ. Check out the link below to see his interpretation of 9-11, pretty fascinating, or including that link in the show notes. But back to the silver bridge collapse.

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