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The Daily

The Most Empty Downtown in America

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 9 February 2023

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

For the past decade, San Francisco has worked hard to turn its downtown into a vibrant hub, providing a model that other cities in the United States looked to emulate. In the wake of the pandemic, however, many buildings and offices in the center of the city have remained empty. What went wrong? Guest: Conor Dougherty, an economics reporter for The New York Times; and Emma Goldberg, a reporter covering the future of work for The Times.

Transcript

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0:00.0

From New York Times, I'm Michael Barrow. This is a daily.

0:07.0

For the past decade, San Francisco has been held out as an economic success story, a model

0:16.5

that cities around the country sought to emulate.

0:21.7

So why, in the wake of the pandemic, has its downtown had the worst recovery of any big

0:28.7

city in America?

0:31.7

Today, my colleagues Connor Dordy and Emma Goldberg on what went wrong in San Francisco.

0:44.9

It's Thursday, February 9.

0:54.5

So Connor and Emma, tell us about this story that you have been both reporting on and

1:00.8

how it brought your two lines of coverage at the times together.

1:06.6

So I covered the economy and I really focus on cities and kind of urban planning, how

1:11.4

the city comes together.

1:13.4

And I cover the future of work, kind of what happens in and around the office, which

1:17.8

is a space where we often spend more time than we end up spending with our own families.

1:22.9

And both of us have been really interested in trying to tell this big story that's been

1:26.6

playing out simultaneously on both our bees, which is what happens at downtown districts

1:31.5

across the country when workers stop going to the office.

1:35.3

Because of our post-pandemic reality.

1:37.1

Yes.

1:38.1

People working at home, people zooming into their jobs from cities that are thousands of

1:43.7

miles from their headquarters.

1:45.6

And this leaves a giant hole in downtown and really in sort of our culture.

1:53.2

This idea of having a central place where people come together to trade goods, to find

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