Love this podcast.

Support this show through the A-Cast supporter feature.

It's up to you how much you give,

and there's no regular commitment.

Just click the link in the show description to support now. This is one of Deep State radios, briefs and debriefs. lives.

Hello and welcome to another edition of National Security magazine, Deep State Radio, a series of one-on-one conversations with newsmakers and thought leaders from across the United States on big issues of national security and foreign policy.

We've got with us one of our founding friends here, David Sanger of the New York Times, who was going

to actually join us on our podcast but he was trapped in jury duty because he's

a man of the people he does he serves his community why did they reject you from the jury, David?

You know, I think that they were probably deep state radio

listeners is my guess and if anybody's ever listened to deep state radio

I mean would you want any of those people on your jury?

I hope that works, by the way.

I hope that the word gets out that the last thing you want on your jury is a deep state radio person. You had a story in the paper

date of December 9th that had the head. A Cold War Arms treaty is unraveling but the problem is much bigger.

We've talked a little bit about the INF on past episodes of Deep State Radio, but I thought

the points you made about what this really

means in terms of China, in terms of the other countries that are moving into this space,

and potentially in terms of other nuclear

agreements over the next couple of years could make this a period of as great sort of change in our collective stance in terms of arms control as has

happened in decades. I think that's right David and we that's why my colleague Bill Broad and I tried

to write it with that in mind look if you go up to 30,000 feet what's happened

...