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Hi, it's Elise Luna and host of Pulling the Thread. Today I'm talking to Ibram X. Kendi about his new book,

Chain of Ideas, which I found incredibly illuminating and helpful. I've written and talked about

this before, but I really love when I get to meet Pulling the Th thread listeners out in the world. This never gives me an identity crisis. Instead, I feel so grateful for how wonderful, cool, wise, smart, and curious you all are. It's wild. So if you're listening right now, I feel I can safely assume that you're deeply curious and that you have some big questions about our world,

our culture, and what part we're meant to play in it all.

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Hi, it's Elise Lunan, host of pulling the thread. On this show, we pull apart the web in which we all live to understand who we are and why we're here.

My hope is that these conversations spark moments of resonance and plant tiny seeds of awareness

so that we might all collectively learn and grow.

Here is today's guest, Ibrahim X Kendi, on what we need to understand in order to usher in a new,

better age. And that is the single most dangerous idea that humans, in my opinion, have ever created.

Because it will continuously lead to political violence, to genocide, to war, and it will prevent us as a human community

from living. If there's any idea that can bring about our extinction, it is that.

Dr. Kendi is a world-renowned historian and scholar and the author of the number one New York

Times bestseller, How to Be an Anti-Racist. He is the Carter G. Woodson endowed chair in history at Howard University.

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