9, 12, 10, 28, 2, 23.

This is Deep State Radio, coming to you direct from our super secret studio in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of Snark in Washington, D.C., and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

Hello, and welcome Deep State Radio. I am your host, David Rothkopf, and I am joined by our faves, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University

Law Center.

How are you doing today, Rosa?

Excellent, David.

The world is great.

The world is great.

The world is great.

Okay, that's great. We should just end the podcast right there. And

by Ed Luce, who's been traveling the world. How are you doing, Ed? Very well. I see

Rosa's World is great and raise it by a galaxy. Well, there's a lot of galaxies, so I'm not sure you're raising it by the one we live in, but

let's let's start with this. Ed, I know among your travels, well, okay, we'll get to the universe

later. Let's build. Let's have a slow build here. And I know for a fact, because I've been

reading your work, that you were in Munich

and you hobnobbed, you listened to what was going on. You even had a conversation with Gavin

Newsom, the man who, of all the Democratic possibilities for 28 wants it the most.

How was Munich?

Munich was, I mean, absorbing because this is such an interesting time to be having, you know,

this fractured, widening transatlantic rift, to be having this fractured widening transatlantic rift to be having this this traditional

transatlantic security forum i can imagine there would be years where it would have been quite dull

and ho-hum this one wasn't one of those. The intensity of sort of European fears about whether America is gone for good was what sort of really

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