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Moral Maze

The Morality of Stepping Down

Moral Maze

BBC

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.5609 Ratings

🗓️ 11 July 2024

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

The idea of when to step down is front and centre in American politics as 81 year old Joe Biden continues in the Presidential race despite concerns about his mental agility. His performance in a recent TV debate has sown doubt among supporters with polls suggesting some are losing faith in his abilities. ‘Pass the torch Joe’ said one placard as he declared his intention to keep going.

Are the elderly blcoking the young if they cling on to powerful and influence ? Does it skew society even more in favour of older people who seem to have had it better when it comes to pensions, homeownership and the opportunity to save money? Gerontologists say that society is ageist, that most people are not like Biden and will hit barriers to staying in work once they get older. That these barriers have to be cleared because as the population gets older we all need to stay in the workforce for longer.

Wisdom is said to come with age but if you have a fulfilling job, how do you check that you are still capable of continuing? Will those around you tell you the truth ? Is it pride that keeps elderly people in powerful positions, a sense that they are irreplacable, an unwillingness to give up something that defines them and take on another role. What's the morality of stepping down?

Witnesses: Dorothy Byrne, President of Murray Edwards College Mary-Kate Cary, Professor of Politics at the Univeristy of Virginia David Sinclair, Chief Executive of the International Longevity Centre Dr Erica Benner, Political Philosopher and Historian

Panel: Inaya Folarin-Iman, Mona Siddiqui, Matthew Taylor,Ella Whelan

Presenter: Michael Buerk Producer: Catherine Murray Assistant Producer: Ruth Purser Production Co-ordinator: Nancy Bennie Editor: Tim Pemberton

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:05.2

Good evening. It may have just been a bad night,

0:08.3

but Joe Biden's mental and physical frailty at that presidential debate

0:12.1

looked, as one commentator put it,

0:14.2

like the moment you realise you've got to take grandpa's car keys.

0:17.7

There was something surreal watching the two gerontocrats

0:20.7

vying for leadership of the

0:21.9

free world, squabbling over their golf handicaps. Top that with Ronaldo, less than half their

0:27.5

age, but written off has passed it after his clueless and goldless performance at the Euros.

0:33.4

And it feels like the whole world is talking about when the old should step aside.

0:43.1

On the one side, there's the over-the-hill argument, make room for the young with their energy and new ideas.

0:47.5

The young are just smarter, said Mark Zuckerberg, founder of Facebook.

0:50.1

On the other, well, they're not, as it happens.

0:53.4

Average IQ has been falling since the 1990s.

0:56.2

What about elders' experience, about wisdom?

1:02.1

So what if the grandchildren can work the TV and you can't? There's a wider question here, too.

1:07.2

There are many, not me, of course, who see the whole world skewed in favour of the old,

1:11.4

a combination of economic circumstance and government policy. When's it right for the old to move over and the young to get a better deal?

1:15.2

That's our moral maze tonight. The panel, Mona Siddiqui, professor of Islamic and inter-religious

1:19.1

studies at Edinburgh University, the commentator and campaigner Inaya Fularin Iman, the feminist

1:24.5

author Ella Wheelan, and Matthew Taylor, Chief Executive of the NHS Confederation.

1:30.4

Mona, I'll try to keep my dog in this fight in his basket.

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