The Mogcast, a fortnightly conversation with Jacob Rees-Mogg about the topics of the day.

Welcome to the 80th Mogast. This is Paul Goodman, editor of Conservative Home in conversation with Jacob.

Rees Mogg. Jacob, good morning. It's a pleasure to see you.

Good morning. Very nice. You. Thank you for coming around.

And we're picking up our exploration of the trust premiership. And today will really be the second episode in looking

back at it. And in our first podcast on it, a few weeks ago, we basically reached the end of the

mini budget.

And I had a long list of questions to ask you.

We couldn't get around to.

One of which was going to be hasn't quasi-quoting behave well,

because he's not said anything at all about what's happened since he left government as Liz Truss's chancellor.

Since then, he has given an interview, he's really said, rather like Simon Clark in the critic this week, that somehow Liz Truss started from a position of preparing for the tax cuts

she'd promised during her leadership campaign, then went to a position of delivering far more

on borrowed money, which basically didn't work.

Do you think Quasi QWERTY still behave well, and do you think that account is convincing?

Yes, I think he's behaved perfectly well.

I mean, I think Quasi and Liz have behaved very well under what must be very trying circumstances.

Inevitably, there would have been discussions over the summer about how far things were going to go.

I don't know how far it was the Chancellor driving things, how far it was the Prime Minister driving things of the time.

I wasn't in the room. Inevitably, when things don't work, people hope that history will think

that it was the other person who decided it all, but I simply don't know what the ins and outs were.

Is the analysis right that if none of the other things... I simply don't know what the ins and outs were.

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